Saturday, November 05, 2005

Two Satmar Scumbags For The Price Of One

Satmar Slugs It Out
Choosing a rebbe turns ugly when two factions brawl.
Jonathan Mark - Associate Editor The Jewish Week

Like the sukkah being dismantled on the sidewalk in front of his Williamsburg shul, the Satmar rebbe’s family and empire are in ghoulish disarray.

Rebbe Moshe Teitelbaum, 91, has been in and out of hospitals because of strokes and ailments.

“He has good days and bad days,” a relative told a confidante, but the good days retreat faster than wintry daylight.

So on the morning of Shemini Atzeret, Oct. 25, nearly 100 police in riot gear had to separate some 1,000 Satmars who were punching and choking each other, and pulling at beards, over which of the rebbe’s two sons should be the rebbe when this rebbe dies.

A Satmar group known as the Aronis — supporters of the older son, Aaron — had marched on the main Satmar shul on Rodney Street controlled by the Zalis — supporters of the younger son, Zalman.

“Mazel Toughs,” said The New York Post headline.

It’s “Satmar-Gate,” headlined the Daily News, when about 12 hours later, on Simchat Torah night, a group of 26 men presumed to be Aronis, all between the ages of 18 and 25, broke into and reportedly ransacked the congregation’s office next door to the shul.

The group reportedly broke computers, jimmied open cabinets, destroyed disks and documents, and upturned drawers before relaxing on the floor with cigarettes and whiskey. It was Simchat Torah, after all, second only to Purim as the wildest drinking night of the Jewish year. The police arrested all of them.

One Aroni told The Jewish Week it was a bum rap.

“Come on,” he said, “they were just smoking.”

Another insisted, “They were studying.”

Wolf, a more mature Aroni, explained, “The Zalis do a good job of PR. What happened was there were about 20 bolvans [translated by Yiddishist Leo Rosten as “gross, thick-headed oafs”] who go and smoke on Shabbos. Every community has its outcasts. Bolvans. Wild kids.”

Wild kids may make for a wild time when the rebbe dies.

According to Jewish communal officials, the median age of white non-Hispanics in Williamsburg is 16.8; in Kiryas Joel it’s 15.2.
When you’re talking about Satmar’s kids you’re talking about Satmar itself.

In 1984, the rebbe appointed Aaron chief rabbi of the 18,000 Satmars in Kiryas Joel. Then in 1999, the rebbe, sensing his mortality, reportedly told Aaron, “Both Williamsburg and Kiryas Joel have populations larger than any shtetl in Europe. You couldn’t possibly manage both of them. What will you do? You’ll place your son in charge of Williamsburg. You have a son. I also have [another] son. I’m asking Zalman Lieb to come back from Israel to become the rav in Brooklyn,” with its 35,000 Satmars.

Aaron acquiesced, but now he wants Williamsburg, as well.

Aside from physically slugging it out, Aronis and Zalis are locked in litigation in three state courts.

In 1952, Yetev Lev D’Satmar, the congregation that oversees official Satmar organizations, adopted by-laws that gave the rebbe almost dictatorial powers over the congregation.

“Nobody can perform his functions without his consent,” according to the by-laws. “He is the only authority in all spiritual matters. No rabbi, ritual slaughterer or teacher may be chosen without his consent. His decision is binding on every member.”

Kings County Supreme Court Justice Melvin Barasch ruled in October 2004 that those by-laws led him to determine that “Rabbi Moses Teitelbaum is invested with the ultimate authority to determine all matters effecting Satmar,” and therefore Zalman would be the Satmar rebbe of Williamsburg.

In Kiryas Joel, where Zalman does not dispute Aaron’s leadership, Aaron is less popular than might be supposed. A slate he supported in recent congregational elections won by only a 6-4 margin, an unusual amount of dissent against a rebbe.

According to an Aroni leader, there are 2,600 dues-paying Satmars in several Aroni shuls in Williamsburg.

Aaron Teitelbaum, who has an apartment in Williamsburg, decided to spend the last days of the holidays in Brooklyn. He would lead services in a huge tent that the Aronis erected in the playground of P.S. 16, not far from the shul on Rodney Street.

After the dancing with the Torahs on the night of Shmini Atzeret — chasidim dance with the Torahs on that night as well as on Simchat Torah — a chasid stood up to make the announcements.

He told the crowd that Judge Stewart Goldwasser, hearing one of the "three" Satmar lawsuits, declared that the Aronis had control of the Rodney Street shul.

In fact, Goldwasser said, “This court will not be sucked into the Brooklyn litigation,” according to this chasid.

Perhaps the Aronis misunderstood. The chasid making the announcements said to great cheers, “Tomorrow morning we daven at Rodney.”

The Aronis showed up the next morning at the Rodney Street shul, where some 5,000 Zalis were davening in numerous minyanim.

To even the odds the Aronis, numbering less then 300, arrived with “their so-called security people,” said one community official.

“They were not chasidim,” the official said. “They were people of color, and in black leather jackets. It was clear who was hitting whom.”

The Aronis were ready to rumble. Clearly visible on a videotape from a security camera turned over to the Brooklyn District Attorney were black men in baseball hats fighting alongside the black fur-hatters.

Wolf, an Aroni, said, “What happened shouldn’t have happened. It was the young ones, the hot ones. Rav Aaron didn’t agree with it. We felt, let’s do this properly. We can smell the victory, what’s the rush? Why disturb the holiday? But, as usual, the young ones do whatever they want. There was pushing and shoving. That was the end of that. We went back to the tent, had great hakafos [dancing with Torahs on Simchat Torah] with a tremendous crowd. It was a tremendous Simchas Torah.”

Life creeps back to normal after the holidays. In the first prayer hall, inside the main doors on Rodney Street, dozens of memorial candles burned in an alcove while late afternoon Minchas followed one after the other, as if in a continuous loop.

Six elderly Satmars sat at one of the many long study tables with scratched and indented wooden surfaces. On the tables and shelves, miles of black adhesive tape covered the bindings of texts and held community announcements to the walls. Some posters announced a sale of permanent press shirts. Someone left a bottle of Pert shampoo near a washroom.

Outside, boys pointed up at the window where neon light illuminated the office wrecked a few nights before. Suddenly, one of “the wild ones” grabbed an older man’s tallit bag. The old man raced after him, followed by dozens of others, each holding on to their hats, a blur in the darkness.

What just happened?

“Nothing,” said a kid. “Two people having a fight.”

These animals are NOT part of the Jewish people.

Just because they had their SHLANGS cut when they were a baby, and speak Yiddish?


How come NOT ONE "RESPECTABLE" rosh yeshiva or rabbi has publicly come out against them?





Anonymous Anonymous said...

The population native to Satmar was always like this, the goyim too. They are true to their native culture.

The respectable rashei yeshiva, whose shlangs already are, do not want their tires cut.

If they had your address, they'd pay you a call.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:09:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

you are just a piece of worthless shit self hating jew
you talk worse then hitler

Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:46:00 PM  
Blogger happywithhislot said...

i think you have gone ober the top.
If rabbonim got involved in every chassidishe fight there would be not time to learn. The chassidim say, from machlokes, they grow bigger.
This is the lifestyle.
I think you need to be a little calmer, and a little more respectful.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

by far this was the biggest chillel hashem in years. my non jewish friends looked at this in laughter and disgust.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where did they learn this balvanisha behavior from? Hey, y.y
don't like the truth about satmar.
Why? You thought these were holymen.
Brawling like a bunch of drunken
bar misfits. Bulvanis is right. The hot ones are to blame. What a disgrace. Im sure Reb Yoelish is having pride in heaven when they show him the video of his glorious
satmar bulvanis. They should atleast take off their stremels
before fighting, perhapes it would less of a disgrace. I think the irs
should audit them all, then you find them making peace, or maybe some fires will suddenly happen
through there offices.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:53:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

This is an everyday fight?
Suing each other in court, killing each other on Yom-Tov, Hiring Shvartzes, Breaking and destroying a makom kodesh???

Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Sleep-Deprived said...

UOJ - Keep telling it like it is. These yiddin are a disgrace to the Jewish people.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

satmars suck. What a disgrace and Chilul Hashem. Big time tinaf.

The only good that comes out of satmar is their Bikur Cholim Program.

Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

y.y, what sort of religious jew uses such foul language, and why do you carry a mirror wherever you go?

see a therapist.

UOJ isn't satmar so doesn't mind casting the first amud.

we should take on his family.

Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In her just released book, Hella Winston merely touches the tip of the iceberg of a cult that is not different than Mennonits, Amish and Salem witch hunts

Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:59:00 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

i cant wait for tuesday where mayer mike bloomberg is going to crush his opponent for mayer in NYC
and note the upsurge in the polls for bloomberg right after he took away the metzitzah b'peh investigation from the health dept. and gave it over to the satmereh CRC rabbis

Sunday, November 06, 2005 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


What's eith thast ugly looking picture? Is that you? Say it ain't so!

Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:44:00 PM  
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Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is bloomberg's name meir, mayer, or mayor?

very confusing.

if he's mayer, how do you pronounce that? the satmar/galician way, of course.

myer bleemboorg.

if you lyao, go to the nearest emergency room.

Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mmm. "satmere shit."

has a nice ring.

way to go reb y.y.

vy nut?

Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

metsitsah b'peh belongs with the satmare shit.


Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yy, you need help. where did you learn such language? what are you so afraid of? the truth. who are the satmars anyhow, and who made them the "kings" of the glorious jewish people?

Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:08:00 PM  
Anonymous yaakov said...

I have family ties to Satmer.

I confess that I'm ashamed of their actions.

Monday, November 07, 2005 9:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The anonymous who referred above to R. Yoelish as having "pride" didn't know him and was never within his "daled amos" - if he had been he would have yirah to speak this way of such an ish kodosh. There are many today - I among them who "owe" their yiddishkeit to the Satmar Rebbe ztz'l.

Monday, November 07, 2005 10:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

now, yaakov, just parlay your family connections into cash. Your misgivings will go away.

UOJ is our rebbe. Please leave your contribution with the shamas.

Monday, November 07, 2005 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

reb yoilesh was an illui, a baki, the real thing, but he encouraged the taking of cash for blessings, as rebbes are wont to do.

Later generations skip the first steps and are only interested in the financials.

All they know is "I'm gut mit ihm."

Monday, November 07, 2005 4:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When i spoke about Reb Yeilish,zlb
i did not mean any disrespect.
Do you honestly think he would have Nachas from his relatives fighting, going to secular courts, arguing about who the next rebbe is when he is still alive. Reb yeilish was a great man, but whats
your answer to whats happening now?
If you knew reb yeilish, would he like whats happpening? be honest.
do you like it. So before you criticize me, look at your self
more closely, and think about if reb yeilish would approve of these actions.Think about it. Are you a mere golem without any sechel.

Monday, November 07, 2005 9:06:00 PM  
Anonymous meilech said...

R' Yooelish was a sonei yisroel.

Monday, November 07, 2005 9:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Satmars are such stinking lowlifes and theyre also perverts.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

stinking maybe; lowlives, okay, but to assume that they're all perverts is a generalization.

perverts are a minority in every random sampling.

Satmar R violent and dishonest, but not particularly deviant in the context of their community. In their group, the ones who don't get caught are successful.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enough is enough. With the possible exception of Meilech above and "hard-core" secular Zionists who call anyone who disagrees with them an anti-semite or "sonei yisroel", I don't think anyone - neither anonymous #1 or #2 above - believe that the holy Satmar Rebbe ZTZA'L could have any nachas from what is happening. I think anonymous #2 mistook the word "pride" - I think anonymous #1 meant it sarcastically.
But anonymous #2 is right - anyone who ever had contact with the Satmar Rebbe left the experience with an awesome ruchnios'dike roishem.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

most satmars are sexual perverts.

yoel teitelbaum was a lowlife.

Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is false and unfair.

Satmar are greedy and dishonest, pushy, aggressive, selfish, yes.

But, the rebbe was a talmid hakham. Have you ever studied any of his sefarim?

A lowlife. You have to be one to say that about him.

Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:59:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I think the following about the above anonymous people.
Anon # 1-you don't wash nagel vasser properly
#2- you were born an idiot, and will remain one for life.
#3- you could be Moshiach if you buy a donkey and stop acting like one.
#4-you violate hilchos Niddah
#5-you are a shithead
#6-please shower every day
7-kish meer in tuchis, please, when you get a minute.
I think I got them all.
Ruach hakodesh helps.

Friday, November 18, 2005 1:21:00 AM  
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Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:41:00 AM  
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