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Thursday, June 09, 2005

The Many Faces Of Evil

All of us have confronted various forms of evil,but only the intelligent ones among us know how to recognize the disguised forms of evil.

There is straightforward evil.A person murders another person,a rapist rapes someone..etc.

Evil, right?I do not believe any rational person would claim that these acts do not constitute evil.I am not talking about a religion that preaches murder and hate as part of their religion.

I am talking about the average guy in the street in the U.S.,if you asked them if murder and rape is wrong,they would say yes.

Then we can get into "gray area"evil.You can have an honest debate whether state sanctioned killing is evil(death penalty for heinous crimes).

I am a firm believer of the death penalty, for civilization to exist.
That discussion is for another day.

Let us discuss evil as it pertains to us Jews.

Certainly,I would not categorize murder of ideas in the same category as murder of humans,but in my opinion that constitutes evil in a very vile and treacherous form.

The Charedi Right is guilty of such evil.
They espouse such hate to ideas that they do not understand .

The hate manifests in the ugliest forms.Book burnings,bans and the likes of which we saw primarily by the greatest Jew haters in our history.

Book burnings and Kristalnaacht conjures up one image only,and not a pretty one.
Banning of people and books and their publishers were done to us by the VILEST ANIMALS THAT EVER CRAWLED ON THIS EARTH!!!!!!

WHY ARE "WE" DOING THIS TO "US"?

How much hate can you bring to our people in the name of Torah?

You are a pitiful bunch of fanatics that have contributed to the steady decline in the numbers of the Jewish people.

Children raised in Orthodox homes are leaving the fold in record numbers because they can not fathom your behavior.

Baalei Tshuva have been reduced in numbers because of you.

Borderline secular Jews want to have nothing to do with a religion that alienates their own.

You are making the front pages of the world newspapers.

The world is watching....

The Jews are watching.....

The Ribono Shel Olam is watching.......

11 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

UN-ORTHODOX JEW writes:
"I was privileged to get a wonderful education"

APPARENTLY YOUR WONDERFUL EDUCATION EXCLUDED THE LEARNING OF "SHMIRAS HALASHON"---
THE ONLY THING YOU SEEM TO EXCELL IN ON THIS BLOG IS LASHON HARAH

IT'S QUITE AMAZING THAT UNDER YOUR "FAVORITE BOOKS" (IN YOUR PROFILE)--YOU DARE TO WRITE THE NAMES OF OUR HOLY TEACHINGS, WHEN YOU CONTRADICT THEIR VERY TEACHINGS WITH YOUR HATEFUL WRITINGS ON THIS BLOG

YOU NOTE THAT THE RAMBAM IS ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE BOOKS:

LOOK IN RAMBAM: HILCHOS TALMUD TORAH, TO SEE WHAT ETERNAL PUNISHMENT YOU WILL FACE FOR PUBLICLY BEING MEVAZEH TALMEDI CHACHMIM

AFTER YOU REVIEW WHAT PUNISHMENTS ARE RECEIVED FOR YOUR SINFULL ACTIONS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ATTEMPT TO FIX THE DAMAGE THAT YOU HAVE CAUSED OTHERS (AND ON AN ETERNAL LEVEL, YOURSELF):

1)PUBLICLY BEG FOR FORGIVENESS FROM THE GEDOLIM THAT YOU HAVE PUBLICLY SHAMED

2)DELETE THIS BLOG

PLEASE TAKE THESE WORDS TO HEART AND DONT JUST ENLARGE THE EVIL THAT YOU HAVE THUSFAR COMMITED, BY SHRUGING OFF THIS "MOCHAH" FROM A SHOCKED AND APPALED FELLOW JEW
11:46 AM


Anonymous said...
FOR THOSE THAT WISH TO LOOKUP THE TORAH SOURCES FOR THE COMMENT ABOVE:

SEE:

RAMBAM:HILCHOS TALMUD TORAH: CHAPTER 6, LAWS 11-12

ALSO SEE:

RAMBAM: HILCHOS DEAOS: CHAPTER 7, LAWS 1-5

12:05 PM


Anonymous said...
"Hey Blogger Rebbe,
Keep writing your stuff,the previous guy is probably from the fur hat group.
They are nuts.

3:13 PM


How evil is the one that attempts to impede his fellow Jew from repenting!

Instead of attempting to lure a fellow jew (who may have decided to rectify a terrible deed),
why don't you read the clear Torah sources given above--

I will post a translation of the laws, so those that do not understand hebrew (or don't have access to a Rambam), can see how clearly the Torah states the sinful nature of the content on this blog, and the terrible punishments that the ones responsible must eventually face.

RAMBAM:HILCHOS DE'OT:CHAPTER 7: LAWS:1-4

LAW 1)"A PERSON WHO COLLECTS GOSSIP ABOUT A COLLEAGUE VIOLATES A PROHIBITION AS IT SAYS IN LEVITCUS (19:16): "DO NOT GO AROUND GOSSIPING AMONG THE PEOPLE". EVEN THOUGH THIS TRANSGRESSION IS NOT PUNISHED BY LASHES, IT IS SEVERE SIN AND CAN CAUSE THE DEATH OF MANY JEWS. THEREFORE, THE TORAH PLACES IT NEXT TO THE VERSE: "DO NOT STAND STILL OVER YOUR NEIGHBOR'S BLOOD"."

LAW 2)"WHO IS A GOSSIPER? ONE WHO COLLECTS INFORMATION AND THEN GOES FROM PERSON TO PERSON, SAYING "THAT IS WHAT SO AND SO SAID;" "THIS IS WHAT I HEARD ABOUT SO AND SO." EVEN IF THE STATEMENTS ARE TRUE, THEY BRING ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD.
THERE IS A MUCH MORE SERIOUS SIN THAN GOSSIP, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS PROHIBTION: LASHON HARAH-RELATING DEPRECATING FACTS ABOUT A COLLEAGUE, EVEN IF IT IS TRUE. LASHON HARAH DOES NOT REFFER TO THE INVENTION OF LIES, THAT IS REFFERED TO AS DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER. RATHER ONE WHO SPEAKS LASHON HARAH IS SOMEONE WHO SITS AND RELATES: "THIS IS WHAT SO AND SO HAS DONE;" "HIS PARENTS WERE SUCH AND SUCH;" "THIS IS WHAT I HEARD ABOUT HIM," TELLING UNCOMPLIMENTARY THINGS.CONCERNING THIS, THE VERSE (PSALMS 12:4) STATES: "MAY G-D CUT OFF ALL GUILEFUL LIPS, THE TONGUES WHICH SPEAK PROUD THINGS"."

LAW 3)"OUR SAGES SAID: "THERE ARE THREE SINS FOR WHICH RETRIBUTION IS EXACTED FROM A PERSON IN THIS WORLD AND, HE IS DENIED A PORTION IN THE WORLD TO COME: IDOL WORSHIP, FORBIDDEN SEXUAL RELATIONS,AND MURDER. LASHON HARAH IS EQUIVALENT TO ALL OF THEM." OUR SAGES ALSO SAID: "ANYONE WHO SPEAKS LASHON HARAH IS LIKE ONE WHO DENIES G-D, AS IT SAYS (PSALMS 12:5): "THOSE WHO SAID:WHITH OUR TONGUES WE WILL PREVAIL; OUR LIPS ARE OUR OWN. WHO IS THE G-D OVER US?" IN ADDITION, THEY SAID "LASHON HARAH KILLS THREE PEOPLE, THE ONE WHO SPEAKS IT, THE ONE WHO LISTENS TO IT, AND THE ONE ABOUT WHOM IT IS SPOKEN. THE ONE WHO LISTENS TO IT SUFFERS MORE THAN THE ONE WHO SPEAKS IT."

LAW 4)"THERE ARE CERTAIN MATTERS WHICH ARE CONSIDERED "THE DUST OF LASHON HARAH." WHAT IS IMPLIED? FOR EXAMPLE, IF A PERSON SAYS "WHO WILL TELL SO AND SO TO CONTINUE ACTING AS HE DOES NOW" OR "DO NOT TALK ABOUT SO AND SO; I DO NOT WANT TO SAY WHAT HAPPENED," OR THE LIKE..."
-----------------------------------
RAMBAM:HILCHOS TALMUD TORAH:CHAPTER 6: LAW 11

LAW 11) "IT IS A GREAT SIN TO DISGRACE TORAH SAGES OR TO HATE THEM. JERUSALEM WAS NOT DESTROYED UNTIL PEOPLE DISGRACED ITS SAGES, AS IMPLIED BY (CHRONICLES II 36:16): "AND THEY WOULD MOCK THE MESSENGERS OF G-D, DESPISE HIS WORDS, AND SCOFF AT HIS PROPHETS"-THEY WOULD SCORN THOSE THAT TAUGHT THE WORD OF G-D. SIMILARLY, THE TORAH'S PROPHECY (LEVITCUS 26:16): "IF YOU DESPISE MY STATUTES" MEANS: "IF YOU DESPISE THE TEACHERS OF MY STATUTES". WHOEVER DISGRACES THE SAGES HAS NO PORTION IN THE WORLD TO COME AND IS INCLUDED IN THE CATEGORY: "THOSE WHO SCORN THE WORLD OF G-D"(NUMBERS 15:31)"

4:54 PM

Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Chana said...

Whoever it was that is screaming at you in capital letters simply refuses to hear your words.

I hear them. I know what fundamentalist thinking can do to people. I've seen it myself. I've watched former classmates of mine rebel and walk off the path. All because of their teachers and the drivel that was taught them.

Your point is valid. It's how to spread it, how to inculcate threads of thought and truth, that we must now understand. How do we remedy this problem? That's the question.

Friday, June 10, 2005 1:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Tehilimzugger said...

>>Children raised in Orthodox homes are leaving the fold in record numbers

Can you back this up? My own anecdotal observation suggests different.

Friday, June 10, 2005 5:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Chana said...
Whoever it was that is screaming at you in capital letters simply refuses to hear your words."

i beleive the only letters that are in capitol, are the precise words quoted directly from the rambam...

are you trying to say- that it's no longer necessary to listen to the rambam (heaven forbid)

it really seems that way, since anyone that spends the short time to read the words of the rambam--will see the fact that the contents of this blog fit exactly into the sins the rambam warns the jewish nation about

i guess we can only hope that your post was simply a reflection of your negative feelings towards the general usage of capitol letters--without first sitting down and actually reading the contents of the comments

Friday, June 10, 2005 12:41:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

To Chana,
You get it!
Thankyou!

Friday, June 10, 2005 1:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
don't you have any fear of heaven?

there is only negativity and harm emitting from this blog that is against the words of the torah!

you may have originally thought this blog was a good idea to stifle your apparent bordeom-- but now that you have seen what a terrible mistake it was--show some fear of g-d!

delete this blog that is purely "gossip" and "lashon harah"!

how can you continue this rishus, when you are shown clearly from the words of the torah that it is purely sinful?!

11:08 AM

Friday, June 10, 2005 2:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey PUTZ YONA!
HE WANTS AUTHENTIC JUDAISM,NOT THE GARBAGE PRACTICED BY THE LIKES OF YOU!

Friday, June 10, 2005 2:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it has become very clear to all that this blog really has no positive purpose--the only ones that support it, refuse to follow the torah -- therefore this entire web site has become nothing more than a couple of bored apikorsim (deniers of the torah even after it was taught to them) writing to each other
it is our true hope that eventually those invloved on this terrible site will realize there wrong-doings and attempt to do teshuva

Friday, June 10, 2005 3:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Chana said...

I read the comments. I've also read the Rambam. And I read/ have read the works of R' Soloveitchik. As you know, R' Soloveitchik supports the Rambam at all times.

Then let me explain to you what Unorthodox Jew is saying to you. He is echoing the words of the Rav.

It is written right here:
http://print.google.com/print?id=Fg5eCThNlb4C&pg=240&lpg=240&prev=http://www.print.google.com/print%3Fq%3DSoloveitchik%2Bextremism&sig=0j8WHvjBlTSDpVhf5PLpkgvCp48

What Unorthodox Jew is attempting to do is to reveal the truth. This may include some negative remarks. Too bad. He has the right to speak the truth, and sometimes that truth may be negative.

I've learned all this the hard way. You most probably have not, anonymous. Keep still.

Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:48:00 PM  
Blogger Shlomo said...

Chana thanks for teaching all of us p'shat im tiflus. Go make supper for your family and do some laundry.

Monday, June 27, 2005 11:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

right on!

Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:55:00 PM  

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