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Sunday, June 26, 2005

Jonestown Judaism

The Pied Piper approach to Judaism is over.

With the onset of all the great technological advances over the last hundred years,with Jews having become way more knowledgeable in the REAL halachos,the guy with the flute is fluting to a smaller and more ignorant group.

Seventy one rabbonim in Israel have formed what" they call" a Sanhedrin.

I say gezunteheit.

Anything that will wrestle control away from a few very elderly,shut off from the real world,albeit great Torah scholars,gets my vote.

There is absolutely no way" authentic" Yiddishkeit can continue to exist,if a few guys who do not have a clue what the real issues facing Klal Yisroel are,continue to call the shots.

Slowly but surely,the Kool-Aid they are passing around to their followers will cause a spiritual mass suicide.

Ten years ago,Indian hair wigs were ok,today "the REAL ehrliche should be machmir".

A virus spread by a mohel is really fiction,"the Anti-Semites and the Modern Orthodox are out to destroy our holy Torah".

"The issue of agunahs are really the woman's fault".If only they did not go out in the workplace,drive cars,or go back to school so they can support their PARASITE HUSBANDS who hang out in husband shelters(kollel),we would not have an agunah problem.

Every loser pisher today is called a GAON.Open the newspapers,or when called to give a brocho by a chasuna,every Putz is now a gaon or rosh of something,there are no longer any stam rabbonim.

I opened the newspapers this week and lo & behold",Lipa Margulies became not only a gaon,but Maran Rosh Yeshiva,and one of the greatest marbetzei Torah in the world".

Does anyone want to bestow on him the same title as Sholom Elyashiv??
What a pathetic fraud!

A little history about Margulies.

A way below average student,who worked as a registrar(tuition taker) in Tora V'daas on Wilson Street in Williamsburgh.
He gets access to the list of benefactors of Torah V'daas.
He then opens up his own yeshiva and calls it Torah V'daas of Flatbush.
For years he is soliciting and cashing checks issued to the real Tora V'daas.

Finally,he is called to a din torah, and begrudgingly he is forced to change the name to Tora T'mima,but does not return the millions of dollars he pilferred.

Bingo games out of his so called bais midrash, was another source of income to this minuvel.

He keeps a known pedophile as a rebbe,although this guy had a very long history of molesting children even as a camp counselor.

Parents of the children who testified are harassed and threatened with every conceivable ugliness,until they give up the battle.All to save his BUSINESS.

"Maran Rosh Yeshiva,Gaon".....Wow, a new low for the Jews who do not stand up against such criminal behavior.

When a yeshiva's entire foundation is established on a massive GENAIVA,are we sure we want to call this guy,MARAN ROSH YESHIVA or GAON.

Gaon of what? Are you crazy?

Yated will check a products kashrus before they accept an ad,what about checking the validity of a persons title? They perpetuate this achzarius by accepting ads of this kind!

The Sanhedrin has my vote,as long as their quest for solutions to today's complex issues are beneficial to the klal at large,and if they are comprised of authentic rabbonim,yerei Hashem, with their goal being the long term spiritual health of Klal Yisroel.

Until they start raising huge sums of your money to purchase real-estate under their family names,I say give them a chance.

23 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're a bit too bitter, even for my taste.

1. Maybe Rabbi Margules gave the money back?

2. Maybe your generalizations about kollel are just a tad bit over the top (I am writing respectfully here, but I really think you should write with more forethought).

3. Your comments about gedolei yisroel being out of it--are you distinguishing everyone else from Rav Elyashuv?--are not merely off, but wrong mitzad how onw is to respect our gedolim.

I know you will come up with some kind of highly emotional excuse for your anxiety, but that does notjustify what you are writing.

Maybe you are just a typical extreme left wing Jew who hates Rabbonim and the Torah, but if you are not, you should think twice about the way you write and think . . .

Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:34:00 PM  
Blogger Rachack said...

(I can so see him to answering your questions)

Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:48:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

He has not returned the money!
He denies he took any,although at bais din there was a presentation of the stolen checks.
I know that there are 10% of kollel members that belong there,no more!
I am a realist because I have access to the facts,most wives hate the position they were forced into(not all).
I am not bitter at all,just plain upset about the goings on.
I appreciate your comments.

Rachak,
Are you trying to hurt my feelings again?

Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously, I do not think you 10 percent estimate is accurate--maybe more like 75-85 percent is correct. As for the remaining few rotten apples, its better to be in beis medrash with the hope of possibly learning, that develop the kinds of anti-Torah dialogue I have found in the representatations of the ultra left wing fundamentalist branch of "judaism" in the blogosphere. You may disagree but (1) there is no way you know how the average kollel wife feels, and (2) you are wrong. (3) I highly doubt you know all the details of the Margules affair. I do not believe you have the right to write about him the way you do, either. Did he throw you out of Yeshiva, or something--is that what this is all about. Because one thing is for sure, there is no way you know all the information you allege to know. . .

Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:57:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

You are entitled to your opinion.
ALL MY POSTS ARE FACTS,AS UGLY AS THEY ARE!!!!

Sunday, June 26, 2005 3:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FACTS . . .like what, the New York Times? Come on, a little more honesty can do you good.

Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:42:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Every single word is EMES V'AMITI!

Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:51:00 PM  
Blogger Rachack said...

ya sure.

Monday, June 27, 2005 1:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He is unfortunately right,I used to be a board member on Torah Temimah many years ago.

Monday, June 27, 2005 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was molested by that bastard Kolko in Camp Agudah in the 1960's.
He destroyed me,and I am still in counselling.
I could't even have a normal relationship with my children.
To hell with him and Margolis.
I hope they rot in hell.

Monday, June 27, 2005 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not know if the other blogs are true or not,but this one is true.I know because I am a parent of one of the molested children.
There is no greater rasha on this planet than margolis.
My child(now a grown man)was treated at bais din like he was retarded.
Kolko is sick,sick,sick and maybe he can't help himself,but margolis knew about it and defended him and kept him there to hurt other precious children.
I was treated like I was a liar and phsycopath and still suffer from this trauma that happenned 30 years ago.
The beit din was in partnership with margolis and even the doctors we brought to testify were treated like crazies.
My son to this day is not able to overcome the trauma he sufferred when he was five years old.
Many parents were afraid to come forward becuse of thge threat of exposure and intimidation.
They pulled their children out of the school.
There are some very bad people in the frum soceity and margolis and kolko are some of thgem

Monday, June 27, 2005 2:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALSO read Robert Averech Sephraphic Secret where in indicts the founders of Yeshiva of Flatbush of toture and moslestation in the 1950's

Monday, June 27, 2005 3:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too was a parent that thank g-d,my child was spared,but i took him out of the yeshiva.

Monday, June 27, 2005 6:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you should call Vicki Polin at The Awareness Center, perhaps she can help you. She might know of other survivors from the same offenders. I know that she helped me a great deal with my case. Mine case is from about 25 years ago. The Awareness Center's phone number is 443-857-5560. I usually have to leave a message and then she calls me back.

Monday, June 27, 2005 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, call Vicky Polin. What a wacko.

She's the girl who appeared on Oprah and said they sacrificed and ate dead babies in her shul.

She's a good source of help.

Who's going to help her.

Monday, June 27, 2005 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my cousin was in his class at the time the scandal hit.he sufferred from headaches but the doctors could never find any medical reasons for them.the doctors were not able to get any information out of him other than saying he had headaches.
later on he confided to a friend that koko used to put him on his lap,that was all he could remember.
when he was 16 years old he had a breakdown and never spoke well again.he never married.

Monday, June 27, 2005 11:37:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

1)
>bastard Kolko in Camp Agudah in
>the 1960's

2)
>A little history about Margulies.
>A way below average student,who
>worked as a registrar(tuition
>taker) in Tora V'daas on Wilson
>Street in Williamsburgh.

I would be interested in any information about these individuals. If you leave me Kolko's full legal name or information and which camp agudah you are referring to. I'll check public records to see if there is anything related.

Yeshiva Torah V'daas in Williamsburg has a bit of a checkered history. I'm aware of 2 busloads of students being expelled one evening decades ago (this was during the Vietnam War) due to inappropriate behavior and also something referred to as the Mickey Mouse Club that operated there (again involving inappropriate behavior between Rebbes and adult students).

JWB
http://www.jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com

Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:00:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I do not have this information,but I will run it by Deep Nose.

Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't mean to blow anyone's bubble here--but Torah Vodaas was already in Flatbush during the Vietnam war. . . It was in its present building, in fact, since 1970. . .

Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:19:00 PM  
Blogger Zvi said...

UO,
I recently discovered your blog and I have mixed feeling about it.
You do raise some important issues, and often you are right on the money. I do believe you do your homework and in most cases deliver facts. You have to realize that sometimes, your analysis of those facts, like any analysis, is subjective by its very nature. to claim that everything you write is EMES V'AMITI is a bit arrogant and unrealistic. I do have an issue with your general tone. I percieve much anger and scorn, and a tendency to generalize. The kind of chip on the shoulder found amongst what I refer to as "The victims of the yeshiva system" I was also abused by some bad rebbes growing up in the early 80's, and I was also turned off by a lot of the hypocrisy and fraud I'd seen amongst people I was supposed to respect and emulate, so I understand the pathology of your point of view. I have since come to terms with it, with the understanding that not all rebbes are ogres and not all yeshivas are destructive and abusive entities. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I would also like to point out that according to the halachos of lashon hora(a very serious issue indeed) you'd better have a good reason to mention certain people by name, especially in a public forum like this, even if it's verifiable fact. A good reason would usually involve a toelles that this disclosure would bring about something positive and crucial, or would protect against something negative and harmful, and that these intended results couldn't be brought about in any other way, among other criteria(see Cofetz Chaim). In this situation, I agree with you that pedophiles in yeshiva should be exposed, and susequently hung by their balls.

Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:40:00 PM  
Blogger David said...

I too was molested by Rabbi Yidi Kolko, both while a student in 7th and 8th grades in Yeshiva Torah V'daas and during those same summers whilst a camper in Camp Agudah.

I used to get rides to school in the mornings with Yidi whether in his old blue car or in his brand new brown car. At that time he lived on 56th Street between 14th & 15th Avenue, whilst I lived on 57th Street, between 15th and 16th Avenues. He was newly married at that time and his first child, a daughter, was also just born then.

Once we got to the Yeshiva on Ocean Parkway, which then was just off of Caton Road, he would park the car (either down the block from the Yeshiva, on the Ocean Parkway service road, or around the corner, I think it was East 5th Street, and ask me to come over and either sit beside him or sit on his lap. Sometimes he would move over to the passenger seat and would then sit me on his lap.

That's when he went fishing. He would insert his hands down the front of my pants and would begin to "search around" to say the least. At the same time he would pull me closer to himself, or would push himself forward againt myself, sometimes even pushing me into the stearing wheel, to the point that it hurt.

Unfortunately I didn't react or complain. The winters were cold and these rides saved on not having to walk all the way to 13th Avenue to wait for the bus (especially on Sunday mornings), you were able to leave your house later since you could always make the ride, and you saved a couple of cents, which was a lot in those days.

During one of those Sunday mornings whilst we were driving on Caton Avenue, whilst I was sitting in the front passenger seat - I almost always sat in the front passenger seat - we were involved in a terrible traffic accident where a car went through a red light and slammed into Yidi's car. B"H we all got out without a scratch.

In Camp Aguda it was the same, whether if he took me into the trees, or into his cabin, or even would take me out for a drive. FYI, during the summer of 1970 I had my bar mitzva in the camp.

I of course told my parents and tried on several times
to explain to them what I was going through, but they didn't want to believe me and my "stories", etc. My father at that time was a very well known and respected person in the Boro Park & Midwood communities and within the Yeshiva world. So I just shut up and let the molestation and perversion continue.

I also think that Yidi Kolko is a danger to the students, past and present in Yeshiva Tora Temimah and I feel that it is about time that the wall of silence be torn down.

Did I suffer as a result, probably. But I have made a life for myself and today am very happily married with 4 wonderful children.

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