Thursday, September 29, 2005


Posted by Anonymous-who sought help and got it!

I am a guy who struggles with SSA (Same sex attraction). Believe me, it is no easy lifestyle. I have been in therapy for 2-3 years now. I have grown a lot and I am stronger than I have ever been. My attraction to men is a lot less and my attraction to women has grown tremendously. I have been in a therapy called reperative therapy- to help one change his sexual orientation. It is long and difficult but for me it has been well worth it. I certainly wouldnt criticise someone who decided not to go through the therapy. It is the most difficult challenge I have ever faced, but as I mentioned earlier, well worth it. For those of you who are interested see www.jonahweb.org or www.peoplecanchange.com. There are many books that have been written about the topic. Change is an option. Unfortunately many dont know that because of gay politics and the gay agenda. It worked for me and for many others that I have met through the process. Again, whether one decides to actually go through with it is his own decision, but at least he should know it is an option.

Posted by Anonymous to UN-ORTHODOX JEW at 9/29/2005 12:10:33 PM



Blogger Y.Y. said...

i had a feeling you were gay

Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:00:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hey Y.Y. Shmuck,
Get off my blog!

Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

very funny.

but how does he get his picture everywhere?

i am so jealous.

erev rosh hashonah and i don't even care about uoj's fleet of trucks. All i want to know is how to plaster my picture all over the world so that in my modesty i may take potshots at everyone and they shall know me on the streets of borough park.


Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:19:00 PM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

We all have Taavas-desires whether
you straight or gay. Its a part of being a human being, we are not angels. I hate to break it to people, The Torah was not given to angels. A very novel idea!! I knew a man that had "feelings" for other men, he got married, had children and never gave into his desires. When he got older the desires disolved with age. He fought the good fight. He raised abeutifull family, was a talmud chachum and lived a righteous life.
I stood up for the man, he was a true Tzaddik. He realized his desires are only mere thoughts, nothing to belly ache about. Straight people have desires too, this is also a novel concept. We never fulfill even half our desires, this is a fact of life.Its
the human condition to struggle with our desires, fight the good fight. All of us have to, its life.
Why belly ache about it. A desire is irrational, it can not be explained. Its a struggle to be human, whether gay or straight. To me the difference is only in regard to the Desire. Lets grow up, stop belly aching about every thougt or feeling that enters our minds and start living meaning full lives. Nobody is guarranteed any happiness in this world. A straight man or woman can live for 30 years with one another and still not discover what happiness is. A gay should not fool himself into believing that if hes allowed to fullfill all his desires life will be perfect. Its all for nought

Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Leslie Lesbo said...

There is no way UO is gay. You wish he was gay YY. You like how he tells it like it is with no BS don't ya YY.

I agree UO, YY is a shmuck!

Yeah, who wants to go through pain and change? Of course eveyone wants the easier softer way, but at least tell the truth. Say, I'm gay cause it's easier, straight is too hard for me.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

straight is easy for those who are straight; to be bi makes for confusion, but it's livable.

I was shocked when in college a friend of mine who was recently married confided that he wanted to have a gay affair. I thought, wow, he's getting sex and still wants more. I couldn't imagine that. Yet, this is the nature of the beast: we want what we cannot have most, and for each person it's something else: someone younger, eishet ish, niddah etc.

Y.Y. may be a shmuck, but with a human face.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Jack said...

That face aint human!

Friday, September 30, 2005 1:06:00 AM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

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Friday, September 30, 2005 1:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Spinoza said...

Y.Y. is a big Ben Torah. That's why he tells UOJ to go F--- himself (see the Satmar piece)and now calls him "gay."

This Y.Y. guy is obviously a powerhouse defender of Haredi thought, and an Intellectual force to be reckoned with. Let's take him very seriously.

Friday, September 30, 2005 1:29:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hey Spin,
Is that You????

Friday, September 30, 2005 1:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

where is am echad and gross?

Friday, September 30, 2005 8:53:00 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

what the hell is all the talk about me????
spin do you know me?

Friday, September 30, 2005 9:14:00 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

what you mean my face aint human?

Friday, September 30, 2005 9:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how do you do that?

upload every text with a pic?

We can learn from your modesty.

I can see it now: billboards, Times Square.


Friday, September 30, 2005 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i certainly dont agree that lesbians should be required to like men.
I have heard of lesbian meidlich that get married, and are very happy, because their husbands oblige them their inclinations. Who wouldnt?
Lesbianism is especially rampant in the chassidishe oilam.

Friday, September 30, 2005 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think YY is very handsome.

Friday, September 30, 2005 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

k'ahavat nashim...

women, a rosh yeshiva confided to me, are not like men. They are am acher, another nation. Men don't understand them and don't have a lot of patience.

They wouldn't know if they were lesbians or not. Like you say, maybe they wouldn't care, although the male ego is sort of fragile (unless you have a truckful of plaques, semichas, receipts, furniture, education, websites etc.).

Wherever authority exerts itself, antinomian tendencies and deviance coexist. Why pick on the chassidishe community?

pick on y.y.

Friday, September 30, 2005 11:51:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Thanks, Anonymous.
My ego gets fragile only when people are nice to me.
That hurts my feelings big time.

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

i hate those anon. posts damn

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but you never told us your secret, y.y.

how you keep appearing.

Are you an angel?

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

anon. wtf are you talkin about?

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would love to kiss YY all night
yea baby he is so cute

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

omg i hope the last anon. is a girl lol

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuse me, hi everyone, do any of our renowned Toirah scholars on this blog, preferably those with smikhah know I can get a goyische gerut? After reading the articles on homosexuality and Judaism, I want to un-Jew myself...I am no longer observant but I want to go all the way now

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what can we say, but gei.

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

y.y. i am responding to your above wtf.

how do you get your picture everywhere?

you include it with the text file?

just curious.

i don't want to kiss you. that's someone else.

As to shallow people who equate judaism with faulty human representatives, go back and study. If you can read, see the comments of our Sages to bechukosai: Lo lamad, lo asah, mo-es es ha-acheirim, sonei es ha-chachamim...kofer b'mitzvos, kofer b'Ikkar.

You fit the profile.

Pay the price.

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks anonymous, ich gehe (isn't that a funny pun??) avek, we've established that. maybe i'll become a jehovah's witness or an episcopal. does nation of islam take homosexualists?

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look. you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If you are anguished about your plight, deal with it, but not in a negative way.

If you hate Judaism, understand the religion better, not based on banal postings or insensitive individuals.

If you genuinely seek religion, study them and then conclude if any makes more sense than Judaism. Secularism, ultimately, isn't satisfying.

Integrating Judaism and homosexuality I am not the authority in. Ask your question, if sincere, at the gay yeshiva if that excites you.

Friday, September 30, 2005 1:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YY is a Lubavticher. Their sexual depravtiy is but one wrung lowrer than that of Satmer

Friday, September 30, 2005 6:00:00 PM  
Anonymous sechel said...

The original post is very moving and thoughtful.I recomended JONAH a few weeks ago on this blog after the initial story of the ex-flatbush principal.

Saturday, October 01, 2005 4:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if jonah works for bisexuals, great. But, for those who are gay, it's doubtful.

If y.y.is a lubavitcher, why isn't the rebbe's pic alongside his?

Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:11:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

correct im not lubavitch

Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Friday, October 07, 2005 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you fucking gay-lord! go take it and give it up te ass but keep your shit of the internet!!
you people make me sick, all you care about is your sick twisted plessur.

Monday, October 17, 2005 12:30:00 PM  

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