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Wednesday, September 21, 2005

Another Alter Kaker Gets Messages From G-D!

> > Arutz Sheva News Service
> > http://www.IsraelNationalNews.com

> >
> > KABBALIST URGES JEWS TO ISRAEL AHEAD OF UPCOMING DISASTERS
> >
> > Israel's leading known Kabbalistic Elder, Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri called
> > upon worldwide Jewry Tuesday night to return to Israel due to natural
> > disasters which threaten to strike the world.
> >
> > In a class between the Mincha (afternoon) and Maariv
> > (evening) prayers at his Jerusalem yeshiva seminary, Rabbi Kaduri issued
> > the following call:
This declaration I find fitting to issue
> > for all of the Jews of the world to hear. It is incumbent upon them to
> > return to the Land of Israel due to terrible natural disasters which
> > threaten the world.
> >
> > In the future, the Holy One, Blessed be He, will bring about great
> > disasters in the countries of the world to sweeten the judgements of the
> > Land of Israel.
> >
> > I am ordering the publication of this declaration as a warning, so that
> > Jews in the countries of the world will be aware of the impending danger
> > and will come to the Land of Israel for the buliding of the Temple and
> > revelation of our righteous Mashiach (Messiah).

> >
> > Rabbi Kaduri also stated that the upcoming year would be a year of
"secret
> > and revelation" in the world. The Jewish year 5766 begins in less than
> > three weeks, with the holiday of Rosh Hashana.
> >
> > The Rabbi explained that the numerical Hebrew abbreviation for 5766,
> > taf, shin, samech, vav gives insight into the nature of the
> > upcoming year. "This will be a year of secret (or sod, from the
> > letter samech) and revelation (or v'giliu from the letter
> > vav).
> >
> > Arutz Sheva Israel National Radio show host Yehoshua Meiri first
> > publicized the declaration on his Hebrew radio show late Tuesday night.
> > Meiri typed out the words of Rabbi Kaduri's declaration and presented
them
> > back to the Rabbi who signed on the document.
> >
> > Associates of Rabbi Kaduri were dispatched to communicate the
Kabbalistic
> > Elder's call to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon before the latter's
departure
> > to the United States later the same night.
> >
> > Meiri says he will publicize the signed declaration after Prime Minister
> > Sharon delivers a speech in the U.S., in which he is expected to call
upon
> > the Jews of the Diaspora to make Aliyah (immigrate) to Israel.
> >
> > During a visit in 1990 with the late Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi
> > Menachem Mendel Schneerson (of blessed memory), Rabbi Kaduri was told by
> > the Rebbe that he would live to see the coming of the Mashiach.
> >
> > Earlier this Jewish year, Rabbi Kaduri predicted great tragedies in the
> > world. Just two weeks before the devastating tsunami in southeast Asia,
> > Rabbi Kaduri was quoted in the Yediot Acharonot newspaper as
> > saying:

> > "We are now in the fourth year of what could be the seven-year
Redemption
> > period, according to the calculation of the Vilna Gaon. [However.] in
the
> > coming three years, uncertainty about the future will hang over our
heads,
> > unless we work and strive that the Mashiach be revealed.
> >
> > The Mashiach is already in Israel. Whatever people are sure will not
> > happen, is liable to happen, and whatever we are certain will happen may
> > disappoint us. But in the end, there will be peace throughout the world.
> > The world is mitmatek mehadinim (or becoming sweet from strict
> > justice).
> >
> > Great tragedies in the world are foreseen, that's the thing of the Jews
> > going to the East. But our enemies will not prevail over us in the Land
of
> > Israel, 'fear and trembling will fall upon them,' in the power of
> > Torah."

> >
> > Rabbi Kaduri said in the week prior to the interview, "What can save the
> > world from calamities is real repentance by Jews, who must increase acts
> > of kindness towards one another... The cry of the many poor in Israel
and
> > the expulsion of Jews from their homes shakes the world... It's not for
> > naught that this place was hit, where many of our compatriots went to
look
> > for this-worldly lusts."
> >
> > The month of Elul, which immediately preceeds the Jewish New Year is
> > traditionally a month of teshuva, or repentence by the Jewish
> > people, in anticipation of the judgments that are incurred on the Jewish
> > High Holidays of Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur.
> >
> > Rabbi Kaduri has told his students that the current government will be
the
> > last one of the "old era." He is on record as saying that Sharon will
be
> > the last prime minister in Israel, and that the new government will
> > already have leadership of the Messianic era.


A Frum Skeptic Comments

I can't resist commenting on this one. At risk of being the closed-minded skeptic, I tend to view Kabbalah with the same mentality that I view astrology and good luck omens. Note how the Rabbi above uses the extremely vague term "secret and revelation," which is almost certain to be applicable to any number of events that will likely transpire in the coming year.
I also view the natural disasters of this past year as a decidedly un-Divine phenomenon, one which happens every now and then as the earth releases its energy, often in ways that are immensely destructive when it occurs in densely populated areas. I can't for a moment imagine how God would deliberately devastate poor, nominally-civilized beach dwellers in a third-world Asian country (as in the tsunami), nor a mostly Black, mostly impoverished population in New Orleans in order to get the attention of groups completely unrelated to either disaster.
Naturally, however, after the recent Katrina storm and its consequences that came about as a result of poor planning by government officials (as well as extreme poverty causing most of the victims to be trapped in the city), I've seen various religious factions turning it into a prophetic event. The Muslims were first to comment that Katrina was a storm sent by Allah to punish the US for being in Iraq. Were "Allah" seeking to do so, one would think him smart enough to punish the government, not some impoverished Blacks in the deep South. From what I could observe, GW Bush didn't seem to be losing a lot of sleep over it until castigated by the media. :-)
Likewise, Christians claim it is because we aren't doing enough for Israel, or we have too much cable TV, or we haven't reinstated prohibition, etc. etc. I'm being facetious, but you know what I mean. Similarly, why destroy the poor who have little or no impact on public policy?
Now we have the Jewish faction, the Kabbalists, who dwell on the fringes perched perilously between barely rational and idiotic extremes of superstition. The God of the Hebrews would certainly find a more selective and just means to get our attention, if He exists. He would, if the time was here for all of us to go to Israel, provide a clear message along with the means to comply with His wishes. Drowning poor Blacks and Asians does not, in my estimation, signal any message to us, and if it did, I would question the justice of this God.

39 Comments:

Blogger David Kelsey said...

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Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:04:00 AM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

Why the skepticism, UOJ? When has a big Rabbi ever declared that Mashiach was imminent and it turned out not to be true?

Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Izzy said...

Just admit that in your heart of hearts you dont believe moshiach is ever coming.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:16:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

David,
All these Moshiach predictors are delusional, all of them!
Honestly, Izzy, I am not there yet, but real close!

Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:37:00 AM  
Blogger Acher said...

OU, you are lucky, you sound like your still a thirty something young. Im over 46 and in the past ten years Ive been listening to these type of proclamations with dread. Every year in Israel things get worse for our people and the Mekubulbalim with their do good deeds and think happy thoughts just makes me wonder if they all live cuckooland. Its time they and the Rabbis were stripped of all the regalia and Kavod they seem to get. They dont deserve it. Alot of them are Neveia Sheker and deserve Skilla or better Chenika because they dont need a title of Rabbi we did fine before their were Rabbis, and we would do fine without their brilliant leadership that pushes am Israel deeper into the sand. With these Rabbis at the helm of the religon, Sharon and Peres and all the other sonai hashem have the perfect crowd control in the guise of NonTorah goyishe passifistic teachings.

In the words of a famed Rebbi who I admire for being a man of action not mussar.

"They Must Go"

P.S. OU, im sincerely interested to know what you would do to remedy things today if you could put program out.

ilan

Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:53:00 AM  
Anonymous the booger said...

UO;

Now you've really crossed the line.

Attacking Rabbi Kadourie?! Are you out of your cotton pickin mind?

I'm outta here.

Hasta La Vista, baby!

Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to comment particularly on this particular Rabbi nor his particular prounoncement - but it is wrong to denegrate Kabbalah per say. It is the "s" (sod) in pardes. I think of the saying attributed to the Chasam Sofer

Hakofer b'gilui al ha seiser
Kofer b'seser al ha gilui

"One who denies openly the validity of "sod" denies in his heart the revealed Torah.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Boog,
You hurt my feelings before Slichos. Now that aint right!
I'll do teshuva, I won't comment on another Moshiach whacko for FIVE minutes.
I know you'll be back.
You were having too much fun.
My blog is addictive.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

No one was denying the validity of "Sod."

The ability to accurately forecast the imminent arrival of Mashiach was being challenged, and the motication might be the very bad track record of such frequent predictions.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Acher/Ilan,

GOD bless you.
You are right on the money.
The Sanhedrin concept is a good one for starters.
The success or failure will depend on the quality of the rabbonim they employ.
Steinsaltz is a real smart guy, however his Chabad orientation leads me to wonder what he's up to.
He could pick up where the Rebbe left off.
Other than that I think it's just about hopeless.
The Right is getting increasingly bolder and crazier.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

David,
Thanks. You are right as usual.
Sod is Sod to be revealed by G-d's true emissary not by every putz without a job.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Boog,
You see I waited 14 minutes?

Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:46:00 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

wow
so you say god doesnt bring hurricanes it happenes by itself

Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

No one said that, Y.Y. You are building a straw man arguement.

I guess the level of skepticism raised by UOJ is uncomfortable for you. So you pretend its something different than it is in order to more easily discard it.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous the booger said...

DK;UO;

"skepticism" entirely misses the point and just shows that you guys don't have a clue and/or are plain downright evil.

Rabbi Kadurie is revered around the world, justifiably so. For you to have published and said this tripe about him is beneath contempt.

May Hashem have Rachmonus on you.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:28:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

Bigger people have announced messhiach was imminent .

And been wrong.

Rabbi Akiva - Bar Kocba
Everyone - Shabtai Tzvi
Lubavitcher Rebbe- the Lubavitcher Rebbe

And those were the specific Failed messiahs.

The amount of people announcing a general time of mashiach were abosultely too many to list.

Were those people who doubted them also "clueless" or "evil?"

Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:35:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

UO said and i quote "I can't for a moment imagine how God would deliberately devastate poor, nominally-civilized beach dwellers in a third-world Asian country (as in the tsunami), nor a mostly Black, mostly impoverished population in New Orleans in order to get the attention of groups completely unrelated to either disaster.
I would question the justice of this God."
arent you affraid of punishment? UO?

Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:44:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

DK;

Youe example and attampted analogy entirely misses the point.

The cases you cite named specific people and time(s).

Rabbi Kadurie cites the Vilna Gaon in more general terms and does not name or specify the individual who will appear as the Messiah. His call is for the Jewish people to unite and show kindness towards each other in order to add impetus to this period.

Big difference.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:06:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

I recognized that there is a difference in the latter part of my post.

The kind of thing R. Kaduri is saying has been declared throughout Jewish history, and all too frequently in its suggestive, though no explicit, notions that in hindsight were misleading as they did not materialize.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Mendel said...

Your all bored morons!!!

When the site first started it was original and funny. However, you are now running out if things to say and its just not funny.

David - you should move out of UOJ tuchis!!!!

Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:11:00 PM  
Anonymous un-orthodox jew said...

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Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:13:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

Correct. And has it ever occurred to you that perhaps We, the Jewish People, the Am Hanivchar are responsible for this delay and the false starts with our being the "Am Kshei Oref", the U'Bnei Korach Lo Meisu" with our constant bickering, back-stabbing, divisiveness, jealousy, and Sinas Chinam?! Like this Blog, maybe?

Think about it...the only period (very, very brief--70 years) of behaving the way we are supposed according to the tenets of our Torah, was during the period of the first Bais Hamikdash, which Chazal tell us was destroyed because of Sinas Chinam. 70 years...but at what point during that time period did Hakodesh Boruch Hu decide to put us on probation and see if we would do teshuva in order for the decree to be rescinded? Year 35? Year 40? Year 45?
Year 50?

It is logical to presume that
Am Yisroel was perhaps put on probation very early during that 70 year period as Hakodesh Boruch Hu is a Meracheim, having given the Dor Hamabul of Noach hundreds of years to do Teshuva.

So those 70 years are, in reality, even less. Such a brief, brief period of the "Golden Peace and Tranquility".

We are not holding up our end of the deal, my friend, and the mode of presentations on this blog are not helping.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:23:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

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Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:29:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

Booger,

How about this - every time big Rabbis are about to signal big revelations or the cusp of the messianic era, instead preface that it most likely won't occur anyway because of sinas chinum, blogs, and college, so don't get too excited and do anything rash like exchanging your assets for shekels but limit premature celebration to self improvement?

Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:32:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

David,
If anything happens to me you would be a worthy successor.
Right On.
Booger is way too naive.
I withdraw my offer for the Boog to be a guest blogger.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:52:00 PM  
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Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:13:00 PM  
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Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:13:00 PM  
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Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:14:00 PM  
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Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:24:00 PM  
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Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Good Jew said...

UO-please delete those fake comments above

Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My cousin is married to Rabbi Kadouri's grandson. His grandson practically lives with the Rabbi and anyone who wants to see the Rabbi must go through him.
He said that the Rabbi made no such statement.
As well, I was by the Rabbi Kadouri this summer, he is very old (may he live to 120), I'm pretty sure he is not giving shiurim anymore as one must try very hard to understand what he is saying.

Why do people believe everything the newspaper says?

Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:10:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anonymous,
This is part of the game they play.
They put statements like these out there, and then they deny it.
I can tell you FIRSTHAND that Asher Bergman, R' Shach's grandson played the same games.
They are ALL purveyors of fraud.
They F*** with people's heads.
Fortunately, there are some guys that get the game and don't buy into it.
But take a look at the Booger.
He seems like a sensible guy, right?
Wrong, they messed his head up!
All these prophets are full of shit.
None of them have a clue, they are sick Bastards for screwing up a great deal of the Jewish population.
I bet the Boog does NOT wear black, and YET HE BUYS INTO THESE FAIRY TALES.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:22:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

UO;

I wish I were naive, would make life alot easier.

Your approach is no better than the charlatans you rail against. It's being lost in the tinaf casing you present it in.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:34:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

UOJ look bava kamma 60.

Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

R. Elchanan said that the messiah is due to come in 5769. That seems to fit with this.....

Saturday, September 24, 2005 8:28:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Let's be in touch.
In the meanwhile, how much do you want to bet that "He" is NOWHERE to be found in 5769?

Saturday, September 24, 2005 9:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do you think it's going to rain?

Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

y.y., if you're so afraid of punishments, why do you leave your picture everywhere?

pride is a sin.

Friday, September 30, 2005 5:40:00 PM  

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