Wednesday, September 28, 2005

Satmar Rebbe Imprisoned While His Gangster Kids Slug It Out In Secular Court

Who will be grand rebbe's keeper?

By Chris McKenna
Times Herald-Record

New York – Stand-ins for the Cain and Abel of the Satmar Hasidim went to court yesterday to begin an unseemly tug-of-war for access to their 92-year-old father, leader of the world's largest movement of Hasidic Jews.
Children of Aron Teitelbaum, chief rabbi of Kiryas Joel's majority congregation, are demanding the court appoint guardians for Moses Teitelbaum.
They say Aron's brother, Zalman Teitelbaum, and his allies have sequestered the Satmar grand rebbe in his house in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn and prevented him from attending the weddings and bar mitzvahs of his keeper's enemies.
"What they have there is their own little prison," Steven Finkelstein, their Manhattan attorney, told state Supreme Court Justice John Leventhal in Brooklyn yesterday.
But Zalman Teitelbaum, head rabbi in Williamsburg, and his faction contend the Satmar leader is in good hands and accuse their rivals of sacrificing a holy man's dignity to advance their own quest for power.
"This is an abuse by the petitioners," said Paul Bookson, a Manhattan lawyer representing Moses Teitelbaum, the grand rebbe. "It's an effort to use this court in their ongoing strategy of litigation."
"No one had the temerity to suggest a guardian should be appointed for the pope," said Scott Mallon, yet another Manhattan lawyer, arguing on the Zalman side.
About 30 men from Brooklyn and Kiryas Joel, clad in black Hasidic garb, lined wooden benches in Leventhal's court to hear what is perhaps the most lurid of three Satmar court fights being waged by partisans of the two brothers, known as Zalis and Aronim.
"There is one commandment missing from Aron's Bible: 'Respect your father,''' Jack Kahan, a Zali from Williamsburg, said outside court.
The children of Aron Teitelbaum who are requesting guardians for the grand rebbe claim he suffers from severe dementia and has been in decline since 1997 or earlier.
They also claim that Moses Friedman, the rebbe's longtime personal secretary, and others are denying or sharply limiting access to him, depriving "spiritual uplifting" to relatives and followers who want to see him and be near him.
But the judge repeatedly scoffed at the suggestion that the case had no political motivation and no connection to Aron and Zalman fighting to succeed their father.
"If this is about politics," he said angrily, "then take all these papers you spent thousands of hours on and throw them down the toilet."
He also pressed Finkelstein several times to explain what harm the grand rebbe was suffering under his current minders.
"The grand rabbi has had his schedule greatly curtailed," Finkelstein said. "He's 92," the judge shot back. "My mother goes to sleep at 8."
But Leventhal also suggested sending a court evaluator to spend a day with the Satmar leader to see how he was being cared for. The Zalman side resisted that notion.
After two hours, Leventhal set another court appearance for Nov. 3 to deliver his decision, one that he said neither side might like.

Really nice guys!!To me, they are a pathetic group of seriously retarded people.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why wouldn't they let a court appointee in if there's no monkey business going on. Aron has not been allowed his own father to attend simchas, fact. Moshe gabbe is a manipulator, fact.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Faivel der Knacker said...

You can't expect violent gangs the likes of Satmar to work it out anymore than you can expect the Bloods and the Crips to do so.

Better to have oversight from a white infrastructure like the Court system. Hopefully they won't let themselves be bought out like they were with the penis sucking thing.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:16:00 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

you have no clue UOJ
fuck yourself

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:35:00 AM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

to yy, your language is appaling.
Is this the way a frum jew speaks, or writes. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:50:00 AM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

to uoj, do not insult the Retarded people by comparing them to satmar.Satmar should know better.Anyway i know some retarded
people and they are the most sweetist people you will want to meet, and aidel----gentle.Firstly, Satmar show no confidence in the bais din system. Secondly, 2 brothers from a holy family cant
seem to get along and be civil.
Thirdly, even rebbes families seem to have the same problems as "ordinary Families" do, if not worse. Its about money, power and real estate.Whose got control of the wealth?If it was for sake of Heaven, then a bais din would be sufficient to solve the problem.
For shame. It effects us all when a puerto rican says to me after reading these articles, "you see
you jews are no different than my own family".What an embarrasment?
What can i say in return?

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:06:00 PM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

The Titelbaums should change their name to Rockerfeller, vanderbilt, or kennedy. It would less of a chillul hashem. People really seek their advice for personal problems?
They cant even solve their own problems? The judge should order them to seek secular counseling. Im sure the titelbaum family would love to go? All the brothers siting around a table with a non jew pyschologist giving them advice on how to get along. I think they should be ordered to go on the Doctor Phill show, its some good entertainment. What an shame?
What a joke? but a sad one .

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:25:00 PM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

The Titelbaums should change their name to Rockerfeller, vanderbilt, or kennedy. It would less of a chillul hashem. People really seek their advice for personal problems?
They cant even solve their own problems? The judge should order them to seek secular counseling. Im sure the titelbaum family would love to go? All the brothers siting around a table with a non jew pyschologist giving them advice on how to get along. I think they should be ordered to go on the Doctor Phill show, its some good entertainment. What an shame?
What a joke? but a sad one .

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Satu Mare. The folks from that village had a bad reputation over there too, thugs, dishonest, grub.

The best of the Jewish nation.

Our poster children for Jewish spirituality and unity.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous der blatt said...

there is no need to bad mouth a whole community, just because of one trouble maker

as the guy before said
Moshe gabbe is a manipulator

we will get rid of him eventualy and every thing will be ok

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Hock said...

UOJ, Maybe you want to go to the mikvah together with me

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with "Der Blatt" - there is no need to badmouth an entire community.
As a young bochur without resources (we're talking the early 1970's) I knew I had a home in Satmar for Shabbos & Yom Tov. Satmar understands - like few others - the concept of gemilus chasodim.
Remembering the Rebbe's davening, learning one of his Torahs, or even seeing his picture still gives me - and many old enough to remember and appreciate - great hischazkus.
For this reason I mourn what is happening today.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:14:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Come on guys, they are the Mafia with beards.
They are a disgrace to Judaism.
Satmar died when R' Yoel died!!!

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:43:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

This is too far gone even for Dr. Phil.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:46:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

Hey, you wanna have some fun?!

At the next court hearing, have some guys
show up dressed in T-shirts that procalim "Zionists for Israel".

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Satmar Rebbe is still alive, but they are already fighting over who is the next Rebbe.
In Chabad, the Rebbe was niftar, but everyone agrees that he remains the Rebbe.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:04:00 PM  
Blogger Shlomo said...

When it comes to issues like this, I couldn't agree with you more! Absolute Chillus Hashem. these guys wouldn't wear a suit that buttons the right way, so as not to be like the Goyim, BUT they have no problem using the secular courts to perpetrate a tremendous chillul Hashem. I shudder to think of the impact this will have on their community. All the children see as plain as day that "Hakessef yaaaneh es hakol! The Satmar Rav ZT"L would've probably stayed in Europe if he could've seen these jokers.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:10:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

They effectively destroyed the bais din system.
Why should anyone go to bais din, if they think they can get a better result in court?
They ALL have a din Moser!!
Lock up an old man????
They are achzorim in the worst order.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:39:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

Rebbe Yoel; ZTZ'L when once asked what he thought of his Chassidim gross behavior, replied that his Chassidim perished in Europe during the war.

BTW, if you're going to town on the Satmers, don't forget the BoBo-Bobovs who also went to secular court to grab control of the money-real estate pie.

My punishment for all of these bozos: Have them dance to Chubby Checker's "Under the Limbo Stick" and see how low can they go.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:01:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I have ranted about the Babooners on previous blogs!
Pathetic, money grubbing snakes!

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The infighting is sad. But what's sadder is people not even realizing that today is the chafetz chaim's yartzeit. SHAME ON YOU UOJ! JERUSALEM JEW.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Jabotinsky said...

Satmar makes me sick. Most of them are third generation Americans and they still cant speak English. They hate everyone. They hate Israel, Ameirca and everyone in between. The only thing they care about is money.

At a very young age they are tought to hate the goyim. FYI, modern orthodox is considered goyim.

They love fights.

Down with Evil Rebbe's!!
Down with Greed and Lust!!
This is all about money

Whoever goes to seek these so called rabbis advice is a nothing but a huge fool!!!

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:40:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Right on, Jab!

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:47:00 PM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

I think the problem is that they never worked for a living like normal people have to. This can distort peoples view of the world.
These people have tremendous opportunity to become great in torah, middos, and chassidus. All their needs being taken of, yet they floudered the opportunity
for true greatness. THe judge should order these rebbes to find jobs, perhapes in construction. This will teach them what it means to live in the real world, not a distorted one.Hard menial labor never hurt anyone. They should feel what some of their very own chassidim have to by working hard to support their families. Their are chasiidim i know that drive trucks a whole day to make a living.Its hard work, yet they wish to support their families with dignity. These are the true "chassidim'. A life of leisure
will only lead to trouble. They wasted an opportunity for themselves to become trully great
in Torah. Instead, they spend money on lawyers. It seems like they have money to waste. What a sad comedy.Hard labor is the answer.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:49:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Most are Am Haaratzem gmurim.
The only Rebbe in America that can learn is the Munkacher.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:15:00 PM  
Blogger Acher said...

The Satmars especially the elder Teitelbaum are guilty more then anything of the Aveira of the Meraglim. In VAYOEL MOSHE the Mein Kampf of Satmarism he talks about the evils of Zionism and that it is spiritually more dangerous to live in Israel then anywhere else. In other words all these Sataner Mamzerim are telling us is that their Torah learning and emunat Hashem is way weaker then the Zionist beliefs in their Ideology so they are to afraid to even try to make a difference. Thank God for leaders at the time like Harav Kook ZTZL, who showed Ahavat Eretz, Torah Hashem, and Bnai Israel in every word he wrote.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A great R'Y once said, people don't know the difference between compassion and tolerance. Satmar are not tolerant, because tolerance is A SECULAR IDEA. But find me people more compassionate, all the chessed etc. LOSHON HORAH ALERT! Enough gratuitis bashing, UOJ. If you have nothing smart to say, don't say it. shomer torah.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:40:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Not ALL Satmers are evil, like NOT all Blacks are criminals; JUST A GREAT MAJORITY OF THEM!
The Satmer have the Torah, they should know better!

Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:23:00 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

wow UOJ one thing i can agree with you on is that the munkatcher can learn
do you have any schmutz on the munkatcher
just a yes or no please

Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Yes,of course!

Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

damn now you made me curious
im a insider

Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

whats your email address?

Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Kish meer in tuchis!!!!

Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:45:00 PM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

are you gay too?

Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how does yy do that, get his picture on every blog?

is he running for political office?

new york needs a munkatcher mayor.

the mayor, incidentally, is not married.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i, unfortunately, know someone from the satmar community. when his father got a heart condition,the son was very depressed because the father could no longer lift rocks to throw at cars on shabbat in bene beraq.

What they need is a good exercise program.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:09:00 PM  
Anonymous yossel the greek said...

Throw these bums in jail, the shvartzes will give their tuchas a great work out.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:13:00 PM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

Dont throw them in jail, and use my hard earned tax money to support their life of leisure. Make them get real jobs to support their families like real every day people. THey will have to deal with bosses, clients and all the other problems of life. They want have the extra cash for lawyers and court cases. I wonder how much this is costing? Do not they consider the poor chassid who needs to marry off a daughter, or the poor yisoma who needs chasanah money? I would respect them to solve their problems, and use the cash for a better cause. Let these rebbes get jobs, some good hard work will solve their problems fast.And maybe help them lose some weight to boot. Kill 2 birds with one stone.This would be a great chesed, im always looking for a chesed to do.

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

Hey the kapota isnt fitting like it used to. Too much chalent and time on their hands. Nothing better to do with their time. Perhapes learning shas as a goal to begin with.

Friday, September 30, 2005 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fuckin ugly satmar piece of shit faggots.

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