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Saturday, November 26, 2005

Naked Man Dies In Jump From Boro Park Office Building

A UOJ Exclusive In Conjunction With The Washington Post


A naked man darted from a car into a Boro Park office building at lunchtime yesterday and then jumped to his death from the top floor, officials said.

The man double-parked in the 4800 block of 13th Av. about noon, bolted from his still-running gray 1980 Chevrolet, dashed past a crowd on the street and ran into the lobby of an office building, witnesses said.

Police were still trying to identify the man yesterday and to determine why he jumped. Witnesses also were trying to sort out what happened. The man had no apparent connection to the building, according to people who work there.

"He didn't even have shoes on," said Zalman Teitelbaum , who was working as a temporary security guard at the building until the Satmar mess gets straightened out. Sitting behind the security desk, Teitelbaum first saw the man from the waist up and thought "maybe he was a rather strange jogger. But then I stood up and saw the rest of him, and realized he was very Jewish."

The man told Teitelbaum that he was "desperate and broke," asked him for 50 cents to make a phone call and then spoke incoherently, mumbling something about not being able to support his son in-law in kollel, Teitelbaum said.

Then the man ran to an elevator. Minutes later, he emerged from a stairwell on the top floor. The fire alarm had been set off, presumably by the man, and the office doors on that floor were open as people began to file out, witnesses said.

The man pushed his way into one of the offices, where he said "excuse me" several times while charging toward a window, witnesses said. He smashed the glass and jumped through the window, falling onto a parapet between two buildings. Some local workers and shoppers saw him fall.

Boro Park firefighters and emergency medical service personnel arrived at the scene, and police quickly cordoned off the block. Women with baby carriages were visibly upset that they could not continue shopping. One woman with a hat on top of her wig lamented, "he could have waited until the stores closed."

Workers in the top floor office said they had not seen the man before and did not believe that he had ties to the offices there. They didn't hear anything he said other than "excuse me, I need money to support my son in-law in the Lakewood kollel" a witness said.

Before it became apparent what was taking place, the city's parking enforcers reacted to the abandoned car, which had badly torn seats, New Jersey plates and no sign of clothing inside other than a beat up Borsalino and a jacket with a shatnes label. They slapped a flyer on the windshield inviting people to attend a parlor meeting for the Lakewood Yeshiva.

The police met with "all" the various Bobover Rebbes and was told that the man had seven married daughters and was acting strange as of late. Recently the man was seen in shul naked except for a towel on his shoulder, screaming why they moved the mikve.

These acts of desperation have become rather common in the Orthodox Jewish community, since fathers with daughters are expected to support their sons in-law whether they have the ability or not.

Many social workers in the community have noticed a dangerous increase in mental disorders particularly by men over fifty.

We interviewed eight young men who were in the local pizza parlor, all of them noticably obese. We asked them about their reaction to the increase in mental and emotional disorders in men over fifty, particularly by the men with daughters.

We had similar reactions by all eight young men. One fellow said it was "not my fault that the poor shmuck doesn't know how to make enough money to support thirty people. Summer camps, expensive houses, cars, jewelry, Pesach in Cancun, and tuitions are a father in -law's obligation, even if he has to work three jobs, or steal from his employer". They're just a bunch of whining lazy bastards".

Another young fellow said" I am sick and tired of hearing these bullshit stories from fathers in-law. If they produce the kids, they MUST support them, period, no excuses. This fellow who was not more than twenty years old, was wearing a gold Rolex. I complimented him on his watch; he turned angry and said" he told the shadchan that I would get two Rolexes, one for daily use and one for Yom-Tov, and the SOB finked out on me; what a piece of shit father in-law I wound up with. If I would have known that, I never would have married his meeskite (extremely ugly) daughter." He said he had to leave, and drove off in a brand new Cadillac Escalade.

The reaction by the others were similar, ranging from anger to dismay about the lack of appreciation and gratefulness to God exhibited by their fathers in-law. They all felt that they could have married anyone in the world, and if their father in-law ever decided to stop giving them "serious" money they would return their daughters to them in a heartbeat, blackmail the family in order for him to give a Get, and get a father in-law who really understands what a catch they are.

Particularly interesting was how they all agreed that they never intended to ever get a job, regardless of how many fathers in-law jumped off buildings. They saw it as a dirty trick and didn't believe the guy was really dead." I find it very interesting that these shameless fathers in-law would go to any lengths to avoid their obligations to us", said the fellow who was the most obese, weighing about three hundred pounds and was not more than five foot three inches tall.

Calls to the rabbis of the Lakewood Kollel were answered by a taped recorded message.
"If you are attempting to join our prestigous institution,the only requirement is that you must be proficient in filling out lengthy government aid forms. These forms are available in all languages and can be filled out at any Lexus dealer in Boro Park or Flatbush; or available on the internet by the shgatzim uremasim (low-lifes) who have internet access.

97 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:56:00 PM  
Anonymous sechel said...

It's cleansing to have a good laugh

Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:57:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

I bumped into a former neighbor of mine several days ago. He just returned from a two year "honeymoon" in Israel. After answering his "what're you doing deez dayz" query, I asked him if he's looking for a job now that he's back. "Nah, I'm gonna stay in Kollel fro a while" he replied.

I didn't think much of it until I saw him in Shul this morning. He was in a rather friendly mood and didn't shut up the entire davening...

Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oy vey, the naked fatherinlaw, hes got nothing left but his birthday suit. What will his soninlaws do now? Lets send out donation letters.
Orphan soninlaws,need hugh sums of cash for neccesities.Will be forced to work for a living,its a question of Shalom bayit. Give what you can.
all donations accepted. Signed by
Harov shnora benShnora, and Horav hagoan Shver Decapitator

Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The soninlaws are in a panic. Who gets the house with 5 leans. Wheres the will?
Whose the favorite soninlaw?One soninlaw was seen speaking to one of the satmar rebbe concerning whether its permitted to go to secular court or not?One soninlaw already put in for a get,and has been seen talking to shadchanim?
One soninlaw was seen carrying a box from his fatherinlaws house?
it contained some silverware.The police were called in to investigate. What will be? Perhapes a job? Oh no,no ,no!!!!!

Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Farshtoonkena Yid said...

The Boro Park Waiter
A Song and Chorus by
Farshtoonkena Yid

Boro Park Waiter:
Ah, Shalom Aleichem Here's my mesorah:
I shteiged many years in the holy gemorah
Then I found a rich girl; no need to be

poorer!
I married her fast and became a big

shnorrer.

YOu ask what I do, I say I'm a waiter
I'm waiting for schver to drop dead like a

fly
Then his money is mine, in the blink of an

eye

Chorus:
He waits for his schver to drop dead like a

fly
Then the money is his, in the blink of an

eye!


Boro Park Waiter:
I've got a house like a fortress
filled with silver and gold
A Lexus, a Caddy and stocks to be sold
A mind full of chochmas the better to

scheme
To get all the schver's money: that is my

dream!

Chorus:
To get ALL his schver's money; that is his dream.

Boro Park Waiter:
I'm fat as a pig from kiggul and cake
That I eat while I learn, that I learned how to fake
A finer frim Yid, o yes that is me
I sit on my butt and enjoy luxury!

Chorus:
He sits on his butt and enjoys luxury!


Boro Park Waiter:
You think I am frum with my hat and my

payos
YOu see me at dinners; I'm up on the dais
A chashuva Yid, O yes that is me
Counting my gelt and sneaking TV.

Chorus:
He's the Boro Park Waiter
As frum as can be,
Counting his gelt
And sneaking TV.
He waits for his schver to drop dead like a fly,
Then the money is his, in the blink of an eye!

Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:46:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

UO;

Funnee! and true!! I'm with you on this 100%.

I believe, you should also focus on good stuff going in our community.

Two organizations come to mind: Tomche Shabbos and Chai Lifeline. There are others. Blogging on these would be a good thing.

What sayest thou?

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tomche shabbos ,what %of donations actually go to the poor? does anybody know

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, When i go on a shidduch, i have future fatherinlaw show me his finances first? whats the guy worth? and what %is mine? its a business. And my belly needs to be fed.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

Tomche Shabbos is a good org. Chai Lifeline though is another story. Although they do a lot of good they are overrated! There are one or 2 head honchos there that spend like crazy - on themselves. All in the name of kids with cancer. If anybody dare question them they will receive a response like" Kids with cancer? How dare you question an organization that helps kids with cancer!" The fundraisers drive around luxury vehicles all paid for by....you guessed it - Chai Lifeline! And what do they do to cust back costs? Fire secretaries who need parnassas instead of eating one less steak dinner billed to the corp. account.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous mo loester said...

Farshtoonkena:

What happened to you? We need more poetry!

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:32:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hi Guys-R'Gross, Booger and a BIG SHOLOM ALEICHEM to Farshtoonkener Yid.

1-I tried a few positive blogs, people e-mailed and told me go back to the ugly stuff.
Whatever sells, I do have some good ones in the hopper though.
Gross picked a great topic and I'll milk it a little
2-Tomchei Shabbos is wonderful, my favorite tzeddaka, depends on where and who is running it.
AN ACCOUNTING MUST BE KEPT IN ORDER TO KEEP THESE GUYS HONEST.
3-Boog, are you the same Booger that used to blast the crap out of us? Wassuppp? I hope you're not setting me up for a loan or something.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:39:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

To All Guys Looking For A Shidduch,

DO NOT TAKE THE SHADCHAN'S WORD FOR ANYTHING, HIRE PRICE- WATERHOUSE AND DO A COMPLETE AUDIT ON THE SHMUCK.
THESE SHVERS, THEY WILL SAY ANYTHING.
HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND MAKE SURE YOU GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING, ESPECIALLY THIS JOB THING, SHVERS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS AFTER 20-30 YEARS.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whats the best tomchei shabbos?
looking for an honest tzadeka organization?help

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whose a bigger liar-shadchanim or
future in laws? its a tough business out there, especially if your honest? any suggestions

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tzdakah orgs. a good subject.whose honest and whose not?

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

UO;

I'm the same "the booger", don't you worry.

This topic about free-loading sons-in-laws gets me mucho riled up.

See it all the time.

Time to stand up and scream,

"We're mad as hell, and we ain't taking it anymore"!

Get a load of this: As you know Lakewood "assered" the Internet. So some women who were running part-time Internet jobs from their Lakewood homes, now have thrown their computer out. This Loss of income=shver leben, cough up some more gelt.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:59:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anonymous looking for a shidduch,

Get married because the girl means something to you, get to know her and speak to her friends.

Forget the toys, if you get a gift, fine.

Be a real man, marry for the RIGHT reasons and you'll have a good life, the guys with the most toys are usually the losers.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Farshtoonkena Yid said...

From what I have seen the guys who marry rich live like guests in their own homes.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous the booger said...

Hey fashtoonkin;

That's classic jackie Mason.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:20:00 AM  
Anonymous the booger said...

Hey UO;

See if you can get a Meet The Press panel discussion going with Ralbag, Kotler's, Philly Rashabahags, and a few other notables. Should be enlightening.

Ask Brodt to provide the zemiros.
Pizza by Amnon.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Farshtoonkena Yid said...

When I was in yeshiva, I was met that class of guys whose ambition was to "marry rich." They spoke about it without shame. Their mothers had drilled it into their heads that they "deserved" a rich girl. These guys were mostly not of the highest intellectual caliber, and were not from wealthy families themselves. They were, for the most part, mamma's boys, who wore nice sweaters and would never dream of getting their hands dirty. Even though they were just regular people, mostly children of immigrants who arrived here after the war with nothing, they had been brought up to think of themselves as little princes. My guess is that most of them were born to women with inferiority complexes. I knew one guy whose mother flew him to places like Switzerland to make a rich shidduch. He would not consider marrying a girl from a modest or even upper middle class background, though he did fool around with them on the side. He did finally marry the daughter of a very wealthy man. Today, he is pushed around by his wife and father in law. Although he struts around shul like a big macher, inside he has the self esteem of an ant. The older he gets, the more pathetic and hollow he becomes. His wife knows it and she does not respect him. Her eyes are on her father, her real hero. She knows she is married to a loser.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Booger,
That's exactly what's going on at the Agudah convention this weekend sans UOJ.
I do go after these guys one on one when I see them at simchas and dinners. When they see me coming they literally run away.
Ralbag threatened me personally.
All in a days work.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Farshtoonkana,
I think the mama is definitely a problem, they associate rich girl with a good life.
like you say in most cases, the guy loses all self-esteem as time goes on.
The rosh yeshivas enforce the "big gelt" theory with a way out for the guys; you never have to see the wife.
Just get out of bed after they leave for work, and come home when they're sleeping.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi. I am new to this 'blog'. I am impressed. I too have many issues with the 'frummies' of Boro Park, Flatbush, etc. How about addressing the issues of Tuition for Yeshivas. I have sever kids and pay through my nose for tuition, so my kids can study how to 'serve God', but not how to act like human beings to other Jews and other humans. I await your next discussion about 'Tuition' and the financial pain of families of Yeshiva students.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:15:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Above Anonymous,
Welcome.
Yes, it is an important subject and a complex one.
I will address it in a future post.
Thanks

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

may i ask you.... are you gay?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

did you grow up closeted when you are in Yeshiva?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the reason i ask is cause i have met many who are closeted and still are closeted....... just curious.... sorry for asking.....hope i didn't offend you

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Above Anon...

I sense your question is sincere, maybe i'm wrong, so be it.
The answer is no.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UOJ, you should have told the asshole to go to hell.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:31:00 PM  
Anonymous yaakov said...

UOJ:

Good laugh!

I plan to support my future sons in law.
I'll support the decision that they get a job.
I'll give their parents moral support to pay for their own childrens schooling.
I'll support their fressing habit when they visit me in my home.
I'll support their rights to to use my toilet paper when they use my bathroom.

I WILL NOT BE THEIR ASS!

I WENT TO WORK AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEIR OWN BUSINESS, AS LONG AS THEY REMEMBER THAT THEY HAVE A JOB TO DO.

Avraham Avinu moved out of Charan, A land of neer do wells. What do our young idiots think? That the older generation has to be in a concentration camp till they die?
WORK WORK WORK?

No matter how much they get, it's never ENOUGH!

The menorah is too small
The watch too cheap
NO MEGILLAH?
Only six rows on the atarah?
The becher is smaller than a cois shel Eliyahu Hanavi?
Only 100 friends could be invited to the wedding?
Only one year in kolel?
NO LEXUS?
NO 10 piece bedroom set?
NO house?

Well I didn't have any of the above until I worked for it.

Guess what?

I'll support the fact that you need it. Get a job and you will have in too IY"H.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:16:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Yaakov,
You got the shpiel down to a science.
The "shver" generation is getting ill, physically, emotionally and mentally.
The rosh yeshivas have an obligation to get rid of the bums, but they know it will destroy their very profitable businesses.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:52:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

RE: Tuition. Big, big problem.

Rebbeim with no Life Insurance, in many cases substandard salaries that are not paid on time, and Yeshiva Hanhalas with no oversight committee to demand financial accountability.

Definitely needs a separate series of blogs. Correct me if I'm wrong but I remeber reading about two frum guys in the 5-towns area that wanted to send their kids to public school and then hire rebeim in the afternoon for a limud hakodesh program.

Haftr and the other yeshivas in that area are charging close to 20K per child! WOWZA!

Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:38:00 PM  
Anonymous heshy said...

There are many good organizations that no other ethnic or religious group has in New York OTHER than the heimish crowd.
Hatzolah
Shomrim
Caveirim
Bikur Cholim
Tomchei Shabbos

Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lets get more lists of the good honest tzadakah organizations.
What % of my hard earned money is going to help the trully needy?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Money is a destroyer of our society. It causes marital problems, family problems, neighbor problems, etc. Frum people should be above all this, yet, they are in the middle of all this crap. I too, have lost my faith in being frum. Yet, I do not want my children to grow up without 'faith' in something, so I send them to Yeshivas. I can not afford the yeshivas, yet i have no choice. It is unbelievable how all of Boro Park is able to afford tuition, wigs, shtreimlech, etc. I can't understand it. Can someone explain this to me.. maybe I can learn how to make ends meet.... especially the tuition .....

Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:34:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Booger,

Tuition is dragging honest poor people to the brink.

With an average of five kids in school; that will cost the parents a minimum of $40,000.
That's before breakfast.....

If the average guy is bringing home eighty thousand net, he is in deep trouble.

The guys in Woodmere who sent up a trial balloon on sending their kids to public school were surprised to find hundreds of parents that would do the same.

Way too much money is going to national or israeli causes; charity begins at home at the local yeshivas.
more....

Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:43:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Above Anonymous, 8:34,

If it relieves some of your pain, 70-80% of frum families are in the same boat.
There really is no good solution, since rebbes must be paid a decent salary in order to attract good people into chinuch.
I agree with R' Booger, there is NO accountability at the yeshivas on how they spend their money.
If it's family run yeshivas they are taking more than they should, for sure.
Forget about the Boro Park people, they are a separate gnaivisher economy. The bigshots there have not earned an honest dime in their lives.
I believe family should help if they can, and pay the school directly, so the money is spent on important issues.
Wishing you hatzlachah,
UOJ

Sunday, November 27, 2005 8:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people who live in the 5 towns are mostly not froom. even the people who say their froom, are not

Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but are the local yeshivas giving the kids a proper or superior torah education, or is just fluff?
Would the people in woodmere get together send their kids to public school till 3:00, and support good rabeim to teach their kids a superior torah education? sounds good, but is it reality.What i mean by a superior education, is having a kid love to learn, and having a kid be able to learn on his own chumah and rashi, mishnayot, gemorah and halacha. Don't forget proper hebrew. When a kid leaves 12 years, can the kid open a sefer and learn-analyse -question a torah text?this is my test. Whats yours?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:56:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

Heshy,

You're misisng the point. Who's bashing Heimishe people? We're only targeting the lowlives (and unfortunately, many are "Heimishe".) Don't put decent people in the same boat as animals who run around like Tzadikkim.

-----------------------------------------

Attention "Anonymous" posters:

Why don't you click "other" instead of "anonymous" and just choose a "name?" You don't have to register. It is difficult to follow so many people posting under what is essentially the same moniker. What do you say UOJ?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:28:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

R' Gross- really good idea, we would like to address you by a name even if it's a pseudonym.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Doing my thing said...

A lot of good point are being brought up but a lot of things aren't right. For example, while I'm sure there are a lot of hypacrites in Boro Park, not all hypacrites live in BP and MOST Boro Parkers are good people trying to do their to pay tuitions and be good Jews. BTW, I don't live in Boro Park.
Many Jewish organizations do exelent work and our communitties would suffer if they weren't there but many guys who run these organizations aren't as good as the people who do the accual work. Many organizations are led by people who have no one looking over their shoulders so they do what they want. My family was hurt by the heads of one such organization. I became very cynical of frumkeit then I relized that I am responsible for myself and no one else. If others are "frum ungatein" but are missing a lot of yeras shamayim, that is their problem. Mine is to be a good Jew. That includes the type of person I look for for my sons and daughter to marry, the honesty in which I pay tuition and the way I conduct myself between my fellow human being. Period. Instead of pointing fingers at others, each of us should be trying to clean up his/her daled amos. That is what our concern is. Think people should be supporting yeshivos more? See what YOU can do to raise money. Get in touch with people like Marvin Schick and help him. Don't like the way the shiduch scene is? YOU look for a different type of person for your child and don't ask or expect big money from the machatanim. Think people are hypocrites? YOU be honest and don't worry about someone else.
There! I got it off my chest.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:05:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anonymous...9:56,

I am against sending kids to public schools, regardless of receiving "superior"rebbes after school.
Reasons vary:
1-Environment- frum kids don't stand a chance of remaining frum if their friends are not. Even if you have separate classrooms.

2-By 3 p.m. the kids are wiped out. Nothing much happens as far as penetrating the brain after 3 p.m. for a young child.

3-The kids would be an enigma for the majority of Orthodox Jews.

4- Damn shame with all our wealth for nonsense, we can't find the money to have any child that wants to learn Torah, to be in a yeshiva.

5-Sign of the times of self indulgence for material things for ourselves, no money for the spiritual welfare of our kids (this does not apply to the vast majority that would love to pay, but can not afford to)

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous seeker said...

which organizations are honest,
lets get a list together.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

UO and doing my thing:

Excellent points, all.

Speaking of Dr. Marvin Schick, it was he who pointed out that it costs HAFTR and the other 5 Towns yeshiva's approx. 7K per child/per year! Why then does the school admin turn around and charge the parent 19K??? Where is that 12K going?

and, doing my thing' very commendable that you want to insure that your daled amos are "clean". However, your individual success won't "clean" the ganeivus and lack of accountability that is rampant all around us. That must be addressed and brought under control.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Doing my thing said...

You never really know the insides of most organizations until your part of them. Take it from one whose been there. I give to the ones that seem to be most honest from what I hear. I hope that I'm right. Most do good work even if it stinks in the head guys office.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:23:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Doing My Thing,

Agreed, yasher koach. Keep up doing your thing.

Please bear in mind that no real change happens for the better unless people with "means" get involved.

I respect your integrity, however, there is so much nasty behavior in the frum world that we must go out of our comfort zone and literally destroy the evil behavior.

Evil shows up in many forms, usually well disguised by fakers who are pros.

I started this blog without singling out people by names. I realized that was not really addressing the evil, I was being a coward.

Now that I use the power of the internet, I feel we ALL have made a difference.

This is just a start, as time moves forward massive changes must take place in order for chaos not to rule.

We all need to do whatever is in our understanding of useful behavior to rid the evil from our community... one minuval at a time.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Doing my thing said...

Ok, Booger. So how do you propose to clean everything up? Just kvetching about may expose the problem, but it's still there.
Remember that Yisro was honored because he saw a problem and came up with a viable solution.
Keeping myself and my family doing the right things is my solution. I'm lighting a candle. I can't change anyone other than myself, so I'll work making sure that I don't do anything dishonest and I am not hypacritical. What are you doing?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Doing my thing said...

UOJ, I've been working on both levels. I work on myself and my family and I've also been involved in Project:Yes and Partners In Torah. My family is also involve with alot of "klal" work. I just don't think that I'm capable of changing the big things like people in charge of orgnizations and schools who steal or act in a way that couses chilul Hashem. So I work in my small way. I teach my children and hope I'm lighting a candle that leads others.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:41:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Doing my thing,
Kvetching on this blog helps alot.
We are getting just under 7000 hits a day, that means alot of people in the community are being exposed to the hard truth ( If they don't know it already).
Google "Lipa Margulies" he comes up first under Unorthodox Jew.
Kvetch all you want, as long as it the truth, I'll publicize it in any way I can that gets the most attention.
BTW there is alot I do privately.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

Seeker,

We're not discussing the good people now, stop ruining the fun ;)

Booger,

Where did you get the numbers? I think HAFTR tuition runs about $9K/annually not $19K. UOJ, I agree. Why the hell should we send our kids to public schools? They deserve a private education just as the Catholics do. The Board of Ed allocates way too much money per child in Public School. The numbers frighteningly high as much as $20k per student!

Some of that money should be doled out to fund the secular component of Yeshiva education since we pay taxes (at least some of us do) that help fund public education. It is only fair that Yeshivas who have a legitimate secular curriculum should see some of the gelt we contribute.

The day this happens, you will see all the Chassidishe Yeshivas (and Litvishe circuses like Mirrer Yeshiva) clamor to put together a bogus "English Dept." in hopes of fressing more government gelt...

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

never said kids should go to public school. i realize the dangers. but are they getting superior torah education? just asking the question.If parents can't afford yeshiva, and yeshiva turns them away....what do you want the parents to do?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous seeker said...

its important to turn where to give maasar money to. who are the honest organizations. its worth
making a list. uoj, whats your list?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Elul 53 said...

Question for UOJ: How do you monitor the number of hits per day on your blog? I had a blog, but did not see how to monitor the number of hits. thanks for any info.

Monday, November 28, 2005 12:02:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Elul53,
There are many different sitecounters, a good one is statcounter.

Monday, November 28, 2005 1:00:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anonymous 11:48,
E-mail me or post the name of the yeshiva that turns away any child for lack of money.
Please be specific as to the name of the rabbi or momzer, the date etc..and the circumstances as you know them.
Do not post the name of the child, e-mail it to me and let me take it from there.
If it's ONLY for the lack of ability to pay, that child WILL BE TAKEN IN, I PROMISE!

Monday, November 28, 2005 1:06:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I know someone who sends their kids to HAFTR, full tuition is $12,000.
I guess if you throw in building fund......etc......the numbers add up quickly.

Monday, November 28, 2005 1:10:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

R' Gross,

The yeshivas do get money from the government by way of lunch money subsidies, books and certain other cheshbonos per child. I believe soon there will be vouchers as well, than you'll see Jews falling over each other like at Toys R' Us in Manhattan the day after Thanksgiving.
Forget the 5:30 daf yomi, they'll be on line in Washington.

Monday, November 28, 2005 1:17:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

My Maaser money goes to my yeshiva, Tomchei Shabbos and local aniyim.

Monday, November 28, 2005 1:23:00 AM  
Anonymous the booger said...

do your own thing:

Kvethcing is cathartic, if nothing else, and brings much needed attention.

As far as solutions: a simple and immediate one is for the money-men of a yeshiva to come together and demand a financial accounting and the opening of the "books". Where does every penny go?
You run the yeshiva like a business; lean and mean, and make sure you max the effectiveness of your dollars.
Just about every yeshiva I know is a family run enterprise with absolutely little or no financial accountability.
The only time you "see" the books is when Rachmana Litzlan, there is a public scandal, Page-1 Daily News.
Why is "Torah, V'Avodah relegated to the classroom but absent in the Menahel's office?

As with many things, the money-guys like UO have the power to make an impact and the necessary changes. They have to band together and work as a cohesive group.

Gross: Tuition is the base. There are a lot of add-ons through the year that jack up the final total.

Monday, November 28, 2005 7:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"my yeshiva"

mmmhhhhmmm

Monday, November 28, 2005 9:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UOJ --send me a private e-mail if you get names of kids not allowed into schools.

Monday, November 28, 2005 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Frum from Birth said...

I say, something dramatic has to happen before some of the bums of our Rabbinate sit up and take notice that there is actually a movement underway to take back our Judaism.

Some of these "Rabbonim" who would sell their very soul for their a-mighty $$$ make me so sick I could puke...these $%^&*(#@!$ prostitutes.

And then we wonder why our children are being inculcated with this "give me atitude" when they are "ready" for marriage....

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:15:00 AM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 1:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Ditto said...

Wow,

Just stumbled upon your website (it was referenced in a newyorkmetro.com article on Rabbi Alan Stadtmauer) and am overjoyed. You are doing a true Chesed providing good, honest people with a forum in which to vent and exposing the sheker, fakerai, and narishkeit amongst which we live. Keep up the good work!

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:12:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:16:00 PM  
Anonymous un-orthodox jew said...

The above is an impostor. Ditto, Thank you for your kind words and thanks for your support!!!!!!

UOJ

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:18:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:19:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:20:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:22:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:24:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:25:00 PM  
Anonymous parent of yeshiva kids said...

Hi.
I am the anonymous guy who started this very important discussion about 'Tuition'. I actually have an e-mail address called : Parentsofprivateschools@netzero.com, for anyone who would like to discuss their situation with regards to paying tuition, or who have any ideas as to how to put this issue in the open, once and for all.
There actually is a solution to this tuition issue, and it is very simple. What if a large amount of Frum children registered for local public schools in , lets say, Boro Park. Imagine what will happen. The public schools would have to take them in, and since the entire school would be full of Frum kids, basically, the entire public school would turn into a YESHIVA!!!!!! There would be no fear on the part of parents that their kids would be negatively influenced by Goyim in class, since the whole school would be FRUM!!!!! I am trying to get the Jewish Press to print this idea (as I have written an article on this), but they are holding back, since this is a very touchy subject, since this idea would basically close down many Yeshivas.
I welcome any comments from the readers of this blog, and would love to receive advice and comments as to how I / We can promote this solution to then terrible TUITION ISSUE.. I await your replies.....

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:26:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:26:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 2:28:00 PM  
Anonymous parent of yeshiva kids said...

By the way... how can I set up a blog with regards to the Tuition issue.... perhaps a blog will help promote this idea and other ideas.....

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

go to WWW.UOJisfullofshit.com

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:39:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Friends,

There is a low-life out there who obviously is one of our gangster targets.
By now, you should be able to tell my style of writing.
There are words and descriptions I would never use.
Please beware of the crooks that have tried in many different ways to get me to stop writing and having my agenda handled very effectively by the few honest guys in high places in our community.

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:53:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Parents of yeshiva kids,

A worthwhile "concept", however I hope you realize it would never happen in Brooklyn.
I'm not saying that you should not continue to get support for the concept, go for it...but it may work outside of Brooklyn, and then have a domino effect if it works.
Hatzlachah, keep me posted.

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:59:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 3:47:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 3:48:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 3:49:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 3:49:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 3:52:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hackers,
You'll NEVER TAKE ME DOWN!!!!!!

Monday, November 28, 2005 4:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh my god, it's like you know my son in-law.
the animal is married to my daughter for 11 years and he keeps telling her that if i don't cough up more and more money, he's sending her back home to me.
if he spends an hour in the kollel a day, i'm an astronaut.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whew, I started to think ther's something wrong with me. That's the effect of the kollel syndrome.
you make me feel that i'm not alone-tzuris rabim chatzi nechama

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:09:00 PM  
Anonymous dying shver said...

Lets start a shver support group.
I need one badly

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

holy cow-thats the funniest thing i have seen in years, funny,funny.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:02:00 PM  
Anonymous George W. Bush said...

Iraq could use these deadbeats.
We'd put their butts on the front line, wipe out the enemy with their breath.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:30:00 AM  
Anonymous jewboy said...

its no joke,you cant get into lakewood unless you fill out a bunch of government forms.
that really sucks

Friday, December 02, 2005 4:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hail to the chief blogger.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was forced into bankruptcy supporting 5 kids in kollel. no joke, my life is in ruins and there is no shalom bayis because of the lack of enough money.

Monday, December 05, 2005 1:05:00 AM  

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