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Monday, November 28, 2005

Was The UOJ Blog Responsible For Alan Stadtmauer's Resignation From Yeshiva Of Flatbush?

Intelligencer-New York Magazine
Saturday the Rabbi Came Out
Or was the former head of Flatbush’s Orthodox Yeshiva inadvertently outed before he was ready?
By Shana Liebman


UOJ Comments at the end of this article


This past summer, Rabbi Alan Stadtmauer resigned abruptly as principal of the prestigious Orthodox Yeshiva of Flatbush. Officially, the reason was that he wanted to pursue another career, though the school didn’t mention the real reason he believed he couldn’t continue his current one: Stadtmauer, 42, was just coming to grips with his homosexuality, which is anathema to Orthodox teachings. So he quit.

“We don’t know of any other heads of yeshiva anywhere in the world who have come out. It is a first,” says Sandi DuBowski, whose documentary Trembling Before G-d is about the struggle to be gay and Orthodox.

Actually, it’s not clear that Stadtmauer, who’d taught at the school for ten years, intended to come out—at least not yet. In September, after the rabbi resigned, a student politely e-mailed him to ask about rumors that he was gay. Stadtmauer replied, “I appreciate your understanding about my coming out . . . ” But one close confidant of Stadtmauer’s, Rabbi Steve Greenberg (author of Wrestling With God and Men: Homosexuality in the Jewish Tradition), says that when Stadtmauer told the student he could share the e-mail “if your friends were wondering the same things,” he was thinking “maybe three or four friends. He didn’t want this information out like this. He told me this twice.”

Instead, the e-mail circulated widely; The Forward even covered it. And many former students felt betrayed, not because he’d been hiding his sexuality but because he implied that he was giving up, at least provisionally, on Orthodoxy: His e-mail stated, “I still believe in the Value and Truth of Torah, even if I don’t feel bound by Halacha,” the rabbinic laws. “And I may yet return to it.”

“What shocked me personally,” says alum Steven Zeitchik, a writer for Variety, “was not the gay part . . . but the fact that he left Jewish education.” Zeitchik says he still feels confused by Stadtmauer’s decision, “because the things he hid were so integral to what I was talking to him about, so elemental to how we live our lives in terms of faith.”

According to modern Orthodoxy’s interpretation of rabbinic law, homosexuality is a grave sin, so it wasn’t surprising that the response on certain blogs was more unforgiving. “I knew since day one he was a faggot,” one alum wrote on unorthodoxjew.blogspot.com. “He deserves the punishment of the worst tortures possible.”

School officials sent a letter to parents stating that Stadtmauer had recently told them he was gay but that “he had never previously discussed these issues with members of the faculty or with students.” It added, “There have been no allegations of inappropriate behavior during his tenure at the Yeshiva.”

Greenberg’s hoping all this will at least get people in the community talking about something they don’t like to even acknowledge. Flatbush grad David Cameo knows many Orthodox Jews “who officially admit it, yet decide to walk the ‘straight’ path. Some actually still choose to have a wife and
kids . . . Some remain celibate.”

Greenberg said Stadtmauer never spoke to him about his sex life, and his e-mail made no reference to his celibacy (except to say, “Given how alone I have been all my life, I just couldn’t see fighting an uphill battle just to remain lonely in the Orthodox community”). Stadtmauer isn’t making any public statements for now. Shortly after the e-mail got out, the rabbi left New York for a three-month hiatus—on the other side of the world. He spent Yom Kippur not in Brooklyn but in Bangkok.


UOJ COMMENTS

I do not know Alan Staudtmauer, and he may be a wonderful person, but my position is really clear.
Any person who WILLINGLY violates a " forbidden" precept of the Torah, should not be in a leadership position.
A rabbi in an Orthodox shul should not keep his job if he WILLFULLY violated the Shabbos, or willfully ate non-kosher food.

I feel, at the very least, that Stadtmauer falls into the category of WILLFULLY violating a behavior that the Torah forbids.
I am familiar with all the arguments, claiming that he can't help himself regarding his sexual orientation........

Firstly, I do not buy into that.
Secondly, even if that would be the case, a homosexual has no right being in a leadership position in an Orthodox School.
The same goes for rabbis, rosh yeshivas, and rebbes, if they willfully and knowingly participate, directly or by proxy in any "genaive" (fraud) from anyone or any entity, they should be forced to resign their positions or thrown out on their fat behinds, regardless of the color or length of their clothing.

102 Comments:

Anonymous the booger said...

Amen, UO.

Monday, November 28, 2005 7:54:00 PM  
Anonymous sechel said...

UOJ,
You make an important distinction between leadership positions and the private person.

Monday, November 28, 2005 8:11:00 PM  
Anonymous sechel said...

There is a real difference between sexual orientation and acting upon it.

Monday, November 28, 2005 8:13:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Thanks, Boog.
It gets lonely here sometimes, a kind word here and there makes it worth it.
The salary I get from the jerk who runs this sight, is definitely not good for my self-esteem.

Monday, November 28, 2005 8:14:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Sechel,
A very important distinction, that frankly took me a while to get to.

Monday, November 28, 2005 8:15:00 PM  
Anonymous who cares said...

Who cares about this story? It's old news.

Monday, November 28, 2005 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every man sins. Than according to you we wont have any leaders.A man can be a homosexual,however, if he
has never indulged in homosexual activity isn't he a tzaddik?He fought the good fight.Wouldn't you stand up for him?Likewise a person might have a propensity towards married woman, but has never indulged. Isn't that person a tzaddik?Lets get real, we are all sinners more or less.

Monday, November 28, 2005 10:44:00 PM  
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Monday, November 28, 2005 11:24:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

My bigger point is that we can affect change. Every kvetch and rant has meaning.
When our blog is so massively read, magazines and newspapers start quoting and printing us,
we do make a difference.
Yes, an old story, but a lesson that we can all make a difference in our own way.

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

Anon, above;

We may all be sinners, but you don't put vulnerable, trusting, and emotionally developing children in harm's way by the placement of an authority figure over them that is a potential pedophile.

The results, as has been clearly shown, are lifetime catastrophic.

If you do advocate this, then you are engaging in moral relativism and defining deviancy down.

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:44:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anonymous,
Not all sins are alike.
The sins that destroy the soul are much worse than talking during davening.

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous seeker said...

i agree with anony. However,why all
the publicity of him being Gay? I think he should have kept it to himself.Is he trying to make gay
an alternate lifestyle for frum jews?
it smells from politics.Who knows?
Also, a rabbi that steals should be kicked out of his position. this will send the message that fraud is unacceptible, and it will
perhapes stop.

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:47:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Booger,
The Gay chevra are going to blast you for linking pedophilia to homosexuality.
I warned you!

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should the gay who has fought the good fight be driven from the frum community? I was not advocating
putting children in harms way. If thats how you understood me,then you totally misunderstood me. So how should we treat a gay in our community who has never indulged
in homosexual activity?Hes a tzadik.Do you disagree with that?
a propensity towards sin is human.
Thats why we have yom kippur.

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:54:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Seeker,
I'll bet he was on the verge of being exposed, so he ran for the hills of Bangkok.( A strange place for a Gay guy to go.)

The next we hear is that he had relationships with his students...and he didn't hurt anyone....and they were willing....and he brought people to Torah through these relationships...and on and on.

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:57:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anonymous,
If someone wants a Big Mac and doesn't eat one, does that make him a tzaddik?
If someone would like to drive to the movies on Shabbos and doesn't....
If someone lusts after a married woman and doesn't.......

There are a whole lot of tzaddikim out there, not because they want to be, their afraid of the consequences here and there.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:03:00 AM  
Anonymous seeker said...

you should see the dvd tremble before G-d about frum gays, and you'd realize the sufferings that
frum gays go through.Its painfull to fight a desire especially a sexual one.Im against the politics involved, but can we understand the struggle?Are we cold concerning another persons pain
?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To me a person that fights his desires is a tzadik.He has fought the good fight.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

> whose documentary Trembling Before G-d is about the struggle to be gay and Orthodox.

A stera ,the movie was about a bunch of fags trying to justify themselves

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what should all the frum homos do? whats your suggestion.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:15:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Frum Gays should NOT be in leadership positions.
Let the keep their private lives private.
I don't want to know what gender they prefer to have sex with.
Where does this illness come from, they must announce to the world who they prefer to shtup?
This is so crazy it's unbelievable.
Let them keep their behavior to themselves.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:22:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Let's look at this from a general halachic perspective.

A Cohen who marries a divorced woman, can not perform the birchas Kohanim, and be called to the Torah for an aliya.

He is not accepted as a Cohen, he gave up his Kehuna for the lust that drove him to marry her.

He had lust, acted on it and pays a price the rest of his life in the Orthodox community.

Pray tell me why a person who acts out on his lusts of being with another male, should not pay a price for his behavior???

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone figured out why Stadtmauer left for a trip to the only countries in the world where child prostitution is rampant?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:36:00 AM  
Anonymous the booger said...

That is their problem.

Frum homo's should not be allowed to be placed in supervisory positions where tragic consequences both for themselves and their supervisees have been well-documented.

This moral relativism and rot in mandating the defense and yes, even the proclamation of homosexuality as a "MITZVAH GEDOLAH" is in the eloquent words of the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moniyhan, "defining deviancy down".

Orthodox Judaism has allowed themselves to be put on the debasing defensive.

Where is the organized hue and cry for the precious, pure, and defenseless children who have had their lives shattered? Swept and trampled under the proverbial rug.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i just wanted to announce that i shtupped my wife.

"When our blog is so massively read, magazines and newspapers start quoting and printing us,
we do make a difference.
Yes, an old story,"

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a dicotomy - kohen v'navi.

The kohen was to have no moral blemish. He represents the ideal, the nation. V'sifsei kohen yishmeru - what?

A kohen who uses foul language and is so impressed with his own honesty that he can critique the world with foul language and vulgar, scatalogical humor deserves to be the gadol hablogim.

There is a verse somewhere - uoj must know it, maybe not?

divrei chachamim b'nachas nishma'im.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:40:00 AM  
Anonymous the booger said...

anon above.

What does your comment have to do with the topic at hand?

Answer: Nothing.

Get off your high horse and answer this:

Would you want your child molested by his faigeleh Rebbi?

I don't believe so. So stop already with the touchy-feely social work psychology-babble Yeshiveshe Raid and get real.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:50:00 AM  
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:01:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anonymous,
I assure you in my private life, I never use inappropriate language.
I have come to the conclusion that people are attracted to funny, sometimes nasty humor.
So I use it sparingly to make my point.

No comparison here, but the Gaon used the nastiest language when he depicted the Chassidim, but urged his followers not to.

He had a noble mission and so do I.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:14:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anon 6:27,

You are just an old fashioned guy.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

old fashioned is a drink.

you must be a gilgul of the goin.

going, going, goin.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:59:00 AM  
Anonymous gross said...

To invoke the pedophillia argument in regards to Stadtmauer might be "pushing it."

The propensity for pedophilia doen't increase among homosexuals. Arguably, he shouldn't be in a boys school (and he isn't anymore) for the same reason that REBBEIM & MALE PRINCIPALS SHOULD NOT BE IN GIRLS SCHOOLS! IT'S TOO DANGEROUS!

For those new to this blog, see my post entitled, " A Warning to Parents Thinking of Sending their Daughters to Seminary in Israel."


http://unorthodoxjew.blogspot.com/2005/08/warning-to-parents-thinking-of-sending.html

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:44:00 AM  
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:32:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hackers & Hockers,

Sorry!!!!
Still here..

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:08:00 PM  
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:10:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Gross,
You bring up an interesting point.
How does one protect the girls from the rabbis in schools?
Two questions:
1- Has anyone ever heard of a molesting of a girl by a rabbi?
2-Has anyone ever heard of a girl being molested by a female teacher?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

Homosexuality doesn't mean that one is attracted to children - they are simply inclined towards a relationship with the same sex.

Inappropriate, non-censensual/abusive relationships are common whether it is an adult heterosexual male with an underage male or an adult hetrosexual male with an underage (or quiet often adult) female. And lately we are hearing more of inappropriate relationships between adult female authority figures and underage males - although not in our community for obvious reasons.

How to protect girls from rabbis in schools?

Educate them and don't keep the girls sheltered to the point of harm

Close down every girls school until the hanhala is replaced with qualified female staff! There is NO reason for Rabbis to run seminaries or for Rabbis to teach in girl's schools.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:23:00 PM  
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

Just to clarify above post:

I am not saying that there aren't homos that molest boys. I am just saying that it is not "a homosexual thing." Many convicted child molesters were known to be living seemingly normal heterosexual lives. The perversion is in itself irrational and non-compliant with typical homosexual behavior.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

Gross;

Distinction noted.

We still have a big problem that is being ignored.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:51:00 PM  
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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:06:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Interesting proclamation & guidelines coming out of the Vatican today on their views as it relates to their clergy.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:07:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

I did see that, UO;

"Vatican Bans Gay Priests" reads the headline.

I guess those faigelah Rabbi's that are 'outed' and lose their day jobs now have a "backup" position.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:18:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hey Boog,
Getting a bit frisky, are you?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:29:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

"frisky," indeed! Only in the Heter-o way.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:03:00 PM  
Anonymous abk said...

Let me begin by saying that I am married with children. That said, while I have tried to love an orthodox lifestyle in EVERY way, I have inclinations that I must constantly fight. Yes, there is a man (a doctor no less) to whom I am attracted, but I fight that inclination and that makes me a better Jew. In fact, our wives are close, our children play with each other and sometimes we even learn together. My feelings for him (and I hope they are mutual) are not acted upon out of yirat shamayim. I believe that facing this challenge makes me a better person and a better Jew.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:05:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

ABK,
May Hashem give us all the strength we ALL need to do battle with our taivus.
You sound like a heck of a person.
Hatzlachah and take good care.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you "hope they are mutual"? Wouldn't it be harder to fight?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:45:00 PM  
Anonymous ABK said...

Anon 3:45 p.m. Yes, it makes it harder to fight my inclination, but we all have an ego, don't we? UOJ, thanks for your wishes.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

uoj is starting to sound like a psychobabbler.

a heckofaguy.

i teach part time in a girl's seminary. On occasion, the experience is uncomfortable.

Because nothing ever happens, am I, therefore, "a heck of a guy?"

I think not.

The Torah commands self control. Why think the worst of everyone, uoj? Why all or nothing, black or white, gay or straight, all men are beasts? There's grey in G-d's world for a purpose - to choose. We don't know where Stadtmauer really stands, in or out. I have no idea and like most others, I don't really care. Assuming he's a pedophile is to think the worst of an innocent man, not tzidkus and I'm not justifying his actions. But, I ask you objectively, uoj, don quixote and batman combined, is your noble, self appointed mission really a mitzvah? kanoim pog'im boi?

You know the famous story of the Hafets Hayim - who saw a man evict a widow in the wintertime. He assumed something would have to happen, to show cruelty rather than kindness, and it did.

Those who look at the world with din must be ready to face the consequences of their actions. If you are bragging about what we've helped do to AS after his departure from Y of F, I, for one, am embaressed.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:12:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

anon 5:12 PM.

What about the kids?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:25:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anonymous, 5:12,

Look, there are many ways to look at WORDS.
You choose to use what I say to bash me for giving chizuk to a guy that is obviously struggling.
So be it, I'm a big boy, I can handle it.
But then in the next breath you are bashing me for not having a gray area.
ABK is an example of that gray area, and I compliment him for winning the battle.
So WASSSSUUUPPPP?
I compliment you for fighting your taivas as well, but yours are mainstream inclinations, something that ALL heterosexual men struggle with on a daily basis if their healthy.
Yasher Koach to you, but if you felt that you were going to give in to your desires would you quit your job, or would you let your pecker take over?
Be honest, not with me but with yourself.
I don't care what you do in a private situation, but if I ever found out you molested or had sex with a girl in your seminary, the world would not be big enough for the two of us.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Booger,

"What about the kids" you say? What about them? The kids can handle it. Especially YOF kids. They're not exactly sheltered.

"What about the kids?" is an oft-repeated rhetorical phrase that IMHO is offered by someone with no real argument for why something shouldn't be.

On Fox TVs "The Simpsons," whenever there is any sort of threat to the emotional well-being of Springfields young, there is a public outcry and in the back of the crowd there is always the same yenta, holding a baby, whining on top her lungs "What about the children?!"

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus Christ! You are obesessed with this topic. So you took an old New York Magazine article-- copy/pasted it and added some more of the same crap you spewed when you printed Stadtmauer's letter. Woohoo, you're a genius. Either that or a closeted feigalah?

Me thinks you doth protest too much.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:17:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Answer the question, without changing the subject to me.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO????
Invoking J.C., and teaching in a seminary, are you sure it's a Jewish seminary?
I would like to know which one, I'd have your butt crucified!

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTF are you talking about. THAT was my first post on this topic. I have nothing to do with your seminary post and or question.

But, WOW, such anger.I think I hit a nerve.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:38:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Me thinks you are playing games....have fun.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not playing games. I had nothing to do with the teacher in seminary post and I'm sure when he reads this he can verify that. As it happens, I'm not even male.

But you proved a point. You're quick to judge people when you don't even know them, ie, Stadtmauer. I hope for your sake none of your kids (if you have any) come to you and confess that they are gay. Will you disown them?

Believe what you like. I am NOT that teacher. Why the frig would I say I wasn't if I was. My Jesus Christ post had nothing to do with his seminary post. But *shrug* whatever.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and BTW thanks for clearing something up for me. I wondered whether or not you could see the ISPs of commenters. Now I know you can't (You woulda known I wasn't the teacher)

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Detective said...

Remember your good friend Y.Y.? He used to curse you and call you a lowlife. Here is a post of his I found on another blog:

Y.Y. said...

i have no problem talking to my women neighbors of my sexual life
i talk about it all the time and they enjoy it
i dont see any problem with talking about sex

October 07, 2005 9:09 AM



http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=11337291&postID=112866009041112477


Y.Y., You're a loser.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And YOU'RE a liar, cuz either that's not MY ISP# or it's not the teachers. Gimme your email address and I'll prove it to you

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:21:00 PM  
Anonymous you have nothing more to say said...

To the above Anonymous concerned with ISPs and confusion between her and another anonymous:

NOBODY CARES! Now go away.

Thanks

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NA,NA,NA,NA,NA-women acting like women.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would you prefer they acted like men? Are YOU gay, too?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:31:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

anon, 5:46 PM.

You don't have a clue. Kids can handle it? Equating this with the Simpson's TV show?! What are you smoking, pal? Vioxx?

Tell it to the kids who've been molested and screwed up emotionally and psychologically for life, relegated to stay in their 'closet' with shattered futures because us FFB's shun them.
Could you cope and handle this stigma?

Gimmee a break. This is exactly my point; the Victimizer becomes the Victimizee. Feigelah behavior is moral and OK. Put him up on the Mizrach Vant.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anon 5:46 said...

He never molested anyone. you missed my point anyway. He did NOTHING of that sort. I wasn't saying G-D forbid that kids can handle being molested. I was saying that YOF kids can handle this particular story so don't give me that "what about the children" bullshit.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You prob. meant that the victimizer becomes the victim. I don't think there is a word "victimizee"

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have 3 kids in Y of F High School and so my kids have friends in almost every grade. As such I can tell you not to worry about the kids. They're fine. They all liked and admired their principal and there was NEVER ANY chashash, inuendo, or rumor about any improper behavior. To link molestation and pedophilia with this man is ridiculous, to say the very least.

As far as the kids go, worry about your own kids. These kids are fine.
Find some other excuse to villify him. Call a spade a spade and just admit you are homophobic.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:51:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

An awful lot of students and their parents DO NOT agree with you.

Many parents were investigating when YOF found out about it, and why he was not fired immediately.

According to many people who are familiar with situation, report that most students feel betrayed by him, not all.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stadmauer was never accused of any misbehavior. If he was ,we would have heard about it

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, the bottom line is that uoj jumped the gun, acted like a schmuck, and is defensive.

Nobody's perfect, we see.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reports say many individuals were investigating uoj's internet activities and would be uncomfortable with his "betrayal" of causes he's been associated with.

True or false?

This proves...what?

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It means that he may have been a big macher on the boards, saw shit that he didn't want to have anything to do with, and is now on a mission to destroy those people because of what he knows.
What's wrong with that?

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the caped crusader

oi l'rasha, oi l'shchayno.

The Torah is our guide not some hot headed, self appointed mission to unmask all the phonies in the world.

At the end of the day, we're dealing with issurim here. Do two wrongs make a right?

What impact besides venting and allowing others to join in the fun is this blog making?

He besmirches reputations self righteously. He's loose with facts, irresponsible. This is great?

Grow up.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:37:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

anon; 1:37.

I agree that OU can be over the top, but to paraphrase the late Barry Goldwater:

"In your heart you know he's right."

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:43:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Anon 1:37,
Go ahead, make my day; DISPUTE ONE FACT.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will not dispute the fact that your blog is irresponsible.

You are a yeshiva schmuck.

Fact.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:47:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

You seem really tough, I better start being real careful what I write.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:08:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

"yeshiva schmuck" what does that mean?

Take your meds today?

you'll come around, it's only a matter of time.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear booger, if you don't know what a yeshiva schmuck is, you don't that world very well.

A know it all, with a callous attitude, and no hesitation to be cruel and vulgar in a fake frummy way.

they think "tough."

UOJ is a phony too.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...

anon, 10:12 PM,

Go after the "real" yeshiva schmucks:

Those that take advantage of the kids' trust placed in them.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:18:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

What happenned to the facts?
Just the facts, maam.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're a self righteous prig.

and will answer for promoting lashon hara, motzi shem ra, nastiness.

you are not a kiddush hashem whatever your misguided reasoning.

ask a posek, mr. bigshot, a posek bigger than you.

oh, i'm sorry. there aren't any.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:06:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

you do know me, after all.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a putz. yeshiva schmuck. the shoe fits.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous schmuck said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good blog, I'm impressed

Friday, December 02, 2005 1:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good blog, I'm impressed

Friday, December 02, 2005 1:04:00 AM  
Anonymous yossel the greek said...

what's the faggot doing now?

Friday, December 02, 2005 4:22:00 PM  
Blogger rodef emet said...

I just came across your blog. Its ok, but whatever happened to "dan l'chaf z'chut", when it comes to Roshei Yeshiva? I don't believe in Rabbinic Infallability, but a little derech eretz when speaking about our rabbis might help. We shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot - or head. Its not nice to make fun of anybody with Alzheimers, and I like rabbis who smile.

Un-ortho: What exactly did the Gaon say about Chassidim?

Also, about 2-3% of men are homosexual. About 1 out of 3 pedophile men are homosexual. So homosexual men do present a greater risk to children than normals. "Aside" from what the Torah says about our leaders being men of good character, just as a matter of saichel, homosexual men should not work near children.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:48:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I know these guys, they are guilty of so much pain to so many people.
They have destroyed families with their policies and selfish advice.

The Gaon literally held that chassidism was not only outside Judaism, but they were more dangerous to Judaism than any of the other religions.

You seem to be right about the numbers in the sense that they are a greater danger to children than heterosexuals.

Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:21:00 AM  

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