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Sunday, July 03, 2005

VIOLATORS OF THEIR" SIMCHA GUIDELINES"

I attended 33 chassunas & vorts in the month of June.

The following authors and signers of the "Simcha Guidelines"were at simchas that were in direct violation of their own self serving proclamation.

I despise hypocrites!!!!

Shmuel Kaminetsky
Shmuel Berenbaum
Yaakov Perlow
Yitzchak Feigelstock
Aron Schachter
Simcha Shustal
Malkiel Kotler
Dovid Shustal
Mattisyahu Solomon
E.B.Wachtfogel
Zecharia Gelley
Shlomo Mandel

These are 12 out of the 23" gedolim" that signed this Kol Koreh.
I saw personally most of them more than once.

There were hundreds of simchas last month,if there were sightings of the other signers that were in violation,please make me aware of them.

Why do I blog?

I intend to expose the guys that make a mockery of authentic Judaism. They have created a fraudulent, over the top Yiddishkeit that our zeides' would not recognize.

THEY ARE CHOTEH UMACHTE ES HORABIM,WITH THEIR BANS & PROCLAMATIONS.

SHAKRONIM,I WILL CHASE YOU ON THE INTERNET & EXPOSE YOUR LIES!

YOU ARE NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER CHARLATANS AND PROFITEERS,MARVIN HIER &PHILIP BERG!!
THEY ALSO CREATED NEW BRANDS OF JUDAISM.

WATCH OUT FAKERS,I WILL REPORT YOUR UNSEEMLY BEHAVIOR TO ALL THAT CAN READ!

34 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since you've mentioned his name again - this time in the Simcha-Guidlines-Violators List, I feel compelled to inform you once again that Shlomo Mandel was miscategorized in your "Good-Guys-Average-Guys-Bad-Guys List"

He is not a Baininum guy - he is a RASHA GAMOR. I attended his "Yeshiva" in my elementary years and I want to tell you that so many of my schoolmates were RUINED and many turned off the derech as a result of the hell that was YOB. Under his and his bastard brother Yaakov's administration (and the fat piece of garbage English principal Avrohom Raider) countless students were tortured and abused. I hate the whole bunch and will never forgive them.

Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would've confront them! I swear I would've!

Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:14:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Please email me bona fide information on Shlomo Mandel.
Since your last post,I have uncovered new information on him that if I am able to confirm will expose him as a Rasha Gamor Meod.
a_unorthodoxjew@yahoo.com

Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:46:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I DID confront all of them!!!!

They ALL walked away from me!

Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In case you didn't notice, the simcha guidelines contain at least 3 escape clauses, so in fact they didn't violate anything. The real point of the simcha guidelines is that people don't need to feel embarassed to make a more modest wedding and claim they are just following the rules.

Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point is these guys are full of S***!
Escape clauses for the guys that give them money!

Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:57:00 PM  
Blogger Shlomo said...

U guys are sick and demented. You NEED to get out of Brooklyn! You must be a real head case ananymous. I bet everybody picked on you when u were little. WAAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA the simcha guidelines....boo hooo hoooo hoooo I bet when, or if you guys ever make a chassunah you'll be happy u don't have to shell out the big bucks.
"I WILL CHASE YOU & EXPOSE YOUR LIES...! WATCH OUT FAKERS,I WILL MAKE YOUR LIVES MISERABLE,AS YOU ATTEMPT TO DO OURS!"
Pretty strong language there. I hope you don't get arrested for stalking. Are you always so bitter or is it time for your anti-depressant?

Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you need to expand your list of so-called gedolim. I think that you give much leway to the litvish instutuions. Once you are knocking mosdos you should definitely include institusions like Chaim Berlin and Tora Temima on your list.

Sunday, July 03, 2005 6:33:00 PM  
Anonymous norman lamm said...

"I was raised in a prominent Orthodox Jewish home.I was privileged to get a wonderful education and ultimately received Smicha(the real kind)the old fashioned way...I earned it. I went on to graduate at one of the respected institutions of higher learning with honors. Most importantly to me,I observed everything...and discovered truths that to me were heart rendering and destructive. The critiques are in no way to be construed as critical of Judaism. My intent is to expose the practices and the conflicts that have denigrated our religion;hopefully leading to a drastic change in the way we select our "leaders"."

CAN YOU CONVINCE US OF THIS?

Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman Lamm,

What's your point?

Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:11:00 PM  
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Monday, July 04, 2005 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Tehilimzuger said...

The very notion of "authentic Judaism" which you are, supposedly, striving for, is ridiculous. Ain't no such animal. It died in the holocaust. Not even the most Williamsburger hasid with the whitest socks and 3/4 satin trousers has any claim on authenticity. Why? Because since 3 million Polish Jews perished, along with the Jews of everywhere in Eastern Europe, everything we know about authentic Judaism is wrong.

I recommend the essay by Reb Chaim Soloveitchik from the mid 80s, where he's describing the complete collapse of the sane and balanced set of influences in the life of a Jewish child. It was a complex and well honed world, which I've only glimpsed through conversations with the elderly Jews in my life.

We only have Synthetic Judaism, made up from the remnants of Eastern Europe. It's man-made over a very short period of time, and the most we can say about it is that it's functional. New babies are being born, institutions are being built. Ain't none of them authentic, but you can see some of the sanity returning, here and there. Of course, if you devote yourself to exposing crap you'll have an easy task of it, a mere 60 years after the murders. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. We're all invalids, man, don't you see?

Monday, July 04, 2005 2:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think tehillum zugger has a point, though I dare suggest that Rosh Yeshivas from Europe, say R' Chaim Shmuelevitz, the Brisker Rav, R' Moshe, the Steipler, Rav Shach--they all shared certain values in common, and those values do not seem to be borne from a vacume. The primacy of Torah learning (though not for chassidim), good middos, Yiras shemayim were the trademarks of our ancestors. And it is not impossible to find people who strive for these values amongst our own today.

I would agree that chassidim are synthetic jews, but that's because their very roots go against what Jews had done and believed for thousands of years before its ill-begotten conception. From the conversations I have had with my grandparents, moreover, I learned that not everyone was "zoche" to wear a shtreimel. It was reserved for the learned. People had values, principles. Today's chassidus certainly does not mirror the chassidus of Europe. And even if it did, it is bascially an illetgitamite movement anyway. So many chassidim have problems with their faith, with their judaism. Perhaps its because its wrong, or that too many of its superfical ideas are being enforced in inappropriate ways in their education.

But I really do believe that R' Ahron, R' Moshe, Rav Paler, R' Yaakov, etc., in their personal lives portrayed to those of us who saw them some glimpse of how it once was. We can all at least try to do the same thing.

I should also add that every generation in Jewish history added things to secure itself. We wrote down Torah Shebiksav, hundreds of years later we put forth a shulchan aruch. We created beis yakovs. All of these institutions were innovations, but they were approved by our sages to help the klal continue. I am sure you are angry--your post is really provacative--but not everything out there is extreme. And, at the very least, some of the things they did makes sense, at least at hindsight.

Monday, July 04, 2005 3:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree: their views were not merely "litvishe" views; they were views that they learned from their gedolim--it was a hemishich of the mesorah. They were incredibly decent people.

Some of today's are different. Some of them are not. Let's try to think bigger. . .

Most people agree with what you wrote about chassidim, btw, (have you NOT heard one curse like a sailor lately?) but DON'T publicize it on a public forum, they will never, EVER change their ways. They have been indoctrinated worse than Moonies. Easy. . .

Monday, July 04, 2005 3:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Tehilimzuger said...

I'm terribly sorry, you didn't get my point at all, and the self-serving litivish anthem you were singing there was not really necessary to advance the discussion, but it's OK, we all have our impulses.

The essence of Chaim Soloveitchik's essay was that Roshei Yeshivas in Europe were one significant voice, one very important influence in the life of a Jewish young man. In adition he had his mother and father, his relatives, his local rabbi, and many many other voices. In that mix, the Rosh Yeshive presented a strong, right-pulling voice, which was balanced out by all the other influences to forge a healthy, mainstream world view. His point is that after the war, as we were pushed to create a synthetic Jewish nation yesh m'ayin, we've deposited the car keys in the hands of the Rosh Yeshiva, who are driving ever rightward with no competing voice capable of balancing them out.

The result is a strange Torah militancy, easily as troubling in the litvish as in the hasidic worlds. It is insular, self-centered and quite a bit autistic. It is certainly not encouraging creativity. The most exciting things in Jewish stududies are happening in universities, not in Frum publishing. That field is nearly completely overtaken by Artscroll wannabe's, presenting the least daring, indeed the least interesting works on Judaism.

But, unlike the host of this discussion, I don't believe what's needed here is some whistleblower to reform our society. That's bunk. What's needed is time. Give a hundred years without a holocaust, and we'll adjust and go back to being ourselves: exciting, sane, open-minded Jews who adhere to the mitzvos and turn them into true poetry.

Monday, July 04, 2005 4:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not believe you are correct in asserting that today's Batei Midrashim are not innovating or exciting. . . maybe it depends on what you mean by exciting. I don't find evolution to be exciting. Tumas Ohel, on the other hand, is interesting for me. I also don't understand why life back then is any different than it is now vis a vis Chaim Solleveitchik's article. There are all sorts of rabbonim, all sorts of parents, I just don't see how he can generalize like that. Maybe you can explain what you mean a little more. . .?

Monday, July 04, 2005 6:49:00 PM  
Anonymous the good ol' times.NOT!!! said...

Same Shallow commentss:Once upon a time it was better.Pain bS!It has alwayS been the same :The good, the bad and the mediocre.
Have fun fantasizing about the supposed 'good ol' times' a fiction of your naivete

Monday, July 04, 2005 6:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW, I was not singing a litvishe anthem, I was trying to explain that your thesis with respect to synthetic Jews may be true, but for other reasons, and perhaps generally more realistically to chassidim, as they are more into being chassidish than actually learning.

It was not your point, however, but I would appreciate if you would elaborate on the 2 comments made with respect to your entry.

Thank you.

Monday, July 04, 2005 7:08:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Rabbi Lamm,
What kind of convincing would you be satisfied with?

Monday, July 04, 2005 8:01:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Tehiilimzugger,
The first rational post by you I have seen on this blog!Thankyou!

I agree that the Holocaust has decimated much of our authentic Jews,however we had great rabbonim that came to America,but we failed miserably in carrying the ehrlichkeit forward.

For the most part-their kids took over their positions in the Torah world.The sad news is their kids DID NOT DESERVE THOSE POSITIONS.

Look around,how many better qualified rabbonim were able to take over the helm of the yeshivas than the ones that presently run them.
I am not talking about the Chassidic world,it began as a fraudulent Judaism and it perpetually got worse.

We now have the Gerrer Rebbe and the Melitzer Rebbe declaring that Moshiach will be here within the year.
They are delusional behaimas.

I do not believe that we should settle for the quality of the rosh yeshivas we have.We deserve better.

They are like kids,set the standards low and you get a dumb kid.
Make that kid accountable,even if he is an average kid,you get quality.

WE MUST DEMAND QUALITY & INTEGRITY! NOTHING ELSE WILL DO!

The internet today is like the radio of yesterday.That is how people are getting their information.

We must be vigilant for ourselves,for our children,if not Judaism will be fade away.

The numbers tell the story.Way
less than 10% of the Jews today are shomer Torah Umitzvos!

Monday, July 04, 2005 8:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Normal Chassid said...

Un Orthodox!

While you have some very valid points about today's generation, I don't like your throw away atitude about chasidim in general. Why do you feel it is not legititmate?

I feel Chasidus rescued Judaism generations ago by instilling faith and simcha!!

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 2:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

normal chassid,


look at today's chassidism. . . look at what is wirrten about them in their own blogs. they are the ones that need to be rescued . . .

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:02:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Normal Chassid,
The sad truth is that just maybe the Besht saved some jews,and just maybe the concept at his time was well meaning,but today it is a FRAUD & a SCAM as a legitimate part of Judaism.
Everyone today can go learn Torah if they want to & does not need an intemediary between himself and Hashem.
The Rebbe today is nothing more than a Cult leader,who preys on vulnerable and moronic people.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

right on!!!

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger KiddushClubGuy said...

a Jew is one who is born of a Jewish mother. Who the hell are any of you perverts to validate anyones Judaism!

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:04:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Ben,
Take a cold shower(actually any shower will do,Rosh Hashanah is coming)

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:23:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

Un-Orthodox J,

Can you give us some examples of specifics they outlawed for others but did themselves?

Thanks!

Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:45:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Are you asking if I have seen them doing things they outlawed?
I do not follow them around.
Please clarify.

Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:59:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

No, I am asking what (besides costs) they outlawed in the first place, and are not enforcing at their own weddings.

Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:37:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

They SCREAMED that they will not attend weddings that have a fancy smorg,over 400 people seated at the meal,more than a 5 piece band,no more than 3 courses at the meal.

Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:03:00 PM  
Blogger Zvi said...

Oy, so many points to adress so little time. I am a professional musician, I play the keyboards at frum weddings and bar mitzvahs. I have a wife and 3 kids to support, and this outrageous and irresposible takana has impacted my parnassah. If you are going to limit wedding bands to 5 pieces(they originally wanted to reduce it to a one man band rachmono litzlan, but it didn't fly) you're effectively putting violinists, trombonists, bassists, harpists and players of any other "periferal" instruments besides those in a basic 5 piece band out of work. You're also cutting into the profit margin of band leaders like my self who charge per musician. Are they concerned about poor hapless yiddin who go into hock because of the cost of a lavish wedding? everyone has the option of using a cheaper hall or fake flowers or a one man band at THEIR OWN DISCRETION!!! I don't hear these Rabbis telling anyone not to by a Lexus SUV or spend 900k on a 3 bedroom fixer-upper shack in Flatbush.
Are we Communists now?
If these rabbis wanted to address this issue properly, they would have admonished the public not to spend their life savings on a wedding they can't afford just to keep up with the Joneses. We need to stop competing with each other with outward displays of symbols ofmaterial status. that doesn't mean that if you can afford a wedding in the Hilton with a sushi bar and a 25 piece band, that you shouldn't have one. If you ask me, the real issue is Lo Sachmod.
P.S. If they really wanted to keep Yidden out of debt, they would do something about the outrageous yeshiva tuitions that we are all enslaved by.

Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

spoke to a gerrer chussid who says he heard about the bloggers talking about the gerrer rebbe prediction, but has not actually heard the prediction from a reliable source.

Monday, September 26, 2005 1:17:00 PM  
Anonymous SleepDeprived said...

The problem doesn't lie with the person making the ostentatious Simcha. The problem lies with the jealous guests. I'm glad I moved out of NY and away from all the stupidity!

Monday, October 31, 2005 11:50:00 PM  
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Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:24:00 PM  

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