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Tuesday, July 05, 2005

The War Of The Worlds

We are at war.

The Charedi Right Wingers have unleashed Aron Feldman from Baltimore,a traditional centrist,to go after rational,highly intelligent and sincere Jews who are desperately attempting to reconcile Science & Torah.

Did Neuberger give you the green light to do this?
I am going to hit him where it hurts,in Ner Yisroel's pocket,for hiring a Bozo.
I am going to stop sending checks to Ner Yisroel,and will encourage my friends to do the same ,unless he puts you in a home for the mentally handicapped.

This scares me to death.
One day a once respected rosh yeshiva wakes up crazy,Hashem returns his soul but not his brain.
Scary stuff!

This is NOT an attack at Noson Slifkin per se; this is a vulgar attempt to beat the thinking and intellectually superior Jew into submission!

For the record,you guys may win the battle,but you will definitely lose the war.

Here is why!

You have managed to pollute a large segment of the Orthodox youth with your radical nonsense,but it will not last.

Falsehoods can only be short-lived,especially when it is so blatantly being proven false daily.
How much longer do you think you can keep kids off the internet?
How much longer can you keep the kids away from cell phones with internet ability?

Remember Radio Free Europe managed to create the freedom movement in Poland,The Soviet Union,The Ukraine etc....
Their societies came tumbling down when the people discovered they were being fed a bunch of lies.

You will fail miserably to keep perpetuating the Jewish Big Lie,that every word of the Torah must be taken literally.

The sad part about this is that these so called gedolim,will not be alive to see the damage they have caused,when the collapse hits Jewry.
Were you true "Torah Giants" you would see that your words and actions will create utter destruction and havoc as the truth seeps in.

You are more afraid about this than you are about pornography on the internet.

Once This truth is out,there is no going back.Everyone will be questioning if" anything" you ever said or stood for, had any validity.

In my opinion you guys are purveyors one big Ponzi scheme.

In the blip of history,you will be ranked with Shabsi Tzvi.

28 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are losing it. It is one thing to say you do not wish to be frum. It is a whole other issue to degrade yourself into talking this nonsense. I am sure you see through what you are writing. Best of luck.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:52:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

amazing how people are so blinded and can't handle the truth---perhaps they've been affected by the glossy anti-eruv publications that are littering Flatbush...

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not sure what gross is talking about, but you are going off the deep end. r' ahron feldman has a point, you don't. you are not "superior," you are an idiot.

Get a life. Grow up.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 2:57:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

"You are going off the deep end...you are not 'superior'...you are an idiot...grow up...get a life"

Wow...is that all you got?! You validate nothing because you have nothing to say. What I'm trying to convey is the sad fact that what is most important to the current "leadership" is Eruvin, Shaitelech & raising money for Yeshivos and poor Kollel families (boo hoo) who are suddenly realizing that yes, a job might've been a good idea and I think I'll OK my daughter attending college (as long as she pursues a degree in Special Ed. or some form of therapy).

What should be important "hot topics" are real issues like corrupt Yeshivos that ruin lives, men who won't give their wives gittin, cheating wives, cheating husbands, Crown Heights HIV scandals, etc.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have plenty to say.

I was not validating those "real issues" because I think most of the stories are entirely made up. I am not sheltered, and have plenty of friends throughout the tri-state area, and I NEVER heard of rampant wife-cheating, HIV scandals, or anything else you mention. Sheitels? Eruvin? Who on Earth is making a big deal about them aside from some apikorsum on the net? You call all that venemous garbage TRUTH?!?! BALONEY!!! Maybe you are just hanging around too many people who talk shtus, but in the real world, these "issues" are NEVER talked about. The only time I hear these issues is on this blog, in fact.

But my point was not addressing that. I was talking about the incredible lack of respect I saw here. Rav Ahron Feldman raises good points, instead of discussing them, we are insulting him. What's worse, its not like we are his equals. It just seems very misplaced. I would understand that if you have an issue with him, you can call him, write him, whatever. But the whole concept of putting down talmidei chachomim otherwise is wrong. Putting people down is otherwise merely a sign of low self-esteem and a lack of self respect. Hasn't your mother taught you better?

There is no reason to think that the frum oilam are a bunch of mindless idiots. That is a ridiculous generalization that an intelligent man like yourself cannot truly believe. And there is nothing wrong with a woman doing speech, either. Who cares if everyone does it? It's a profitable business, that's all that matters in the long run.

I have a great idea. Since you modern orthodox (if you are even that) seem to have a problem with rabbonim arguing over a non-kosher eruv or whether we should believe that the words of Torah are actually true (don't you see how ridiculous your gripes are?!?!), and you are not really going to go anywhere with your anxiety toward rabbonim because you are not (to say the least) their equals, why not just talk about something more appropriate about yourselves? How about YOUR ignorance in Torah (I know you are going to make up stories about how the average frum guy does not know a blat of gemara, but that's a lie, and you know it), how about the pritzus in your neighborhoods, or the lack of mitzvos in your lives? That, after all, is something you have control of . . . so why not use your anger constructively?

The tale of those "krum rabbonim" have long been the subject of interest among the eiruv rav. It's a farce, a joke, a lie. Maybe you should open your eyes, rid yoursself of your hate for Hashem, and see, finally, "the truth."

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with anonomous.

It's not like you actually care about Torah, truth, or anything else Jewish. You just want to vent your frustration about being frum, and blame those "crazy rabbis" for your personal faults.

Have some personal responsibility.

Be accountable for your own problems.

If you really have a problem with the Jewish faith, leave it. We don't need you.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:20:00 PM  
Anonymous gershon said...

"We"?! Who's "We" This ain't your faith pal. You have merely usurped it, corrupted it and turned it into a mutant form of Christianity at best.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:02:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

I have a great idea. Since you modern orthodox (if you are even that) seem to have a problem with rabbonim arguing over a non-kosher eruv

Oh so it is "non -kosher." It's all clear now! You must be a Posek too! I guess you have been reading those fancy booklets distributed in Shul (have you been lately, frummock?)

Sheitels? Eruvin? Who on Earth is making a big deal about them aside from some apikorsum on the net? Crawl out of your hole buddy - the "sheitel scandal" affected nearly every frum woman and has cost thousands and thousands in damages that will never be repaid to the unsuspecting, naieve "house fraus" (at least not in Oilem Hazeh .) Never mind the protection money - I mean Hechsher money - that Shaitel Machers are forced to pay in order to hang up that certificate from the heilige rabbonim "proving" that the wigs are not from India Chas V'Sholem.

Oh, and speaking of the Eiruv Rav, there was an Adom Gadol (a real one) who said over that in the time before Moshiach the Jewish "Leadership" the Eiruv Rav will be reincarnated into the corrupt leadership!

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These black hats are using a gray hat to do their dirty work.
Feldman is a sucker.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:31:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Gross,
Thanks for filling in for me today.
I just got home and am too tired to answer some of our brothers(or sisters)who don't have a clue.
Yasher Koach!

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:58:00 PM  
Blogger Avi said...

Avi said... What a difficult heading I picked. "Only the truth" Do you realize how difficult it is to dig out the truth from the mountain of lies that the truth is buried underneath. I read the comments on President George Bush. They call him a liar. So what? Bill Clinton was also a liar " I did not have sex with that woman" Does anybody tell the truth anymore. I know a rabbi ( no names mentioned) who does not know what the word truth is. Thats ok, there are plenty of preists who also dont know what truth means. One of the names of God is " Emes" which means truth. That is probably the ultimate truth. That there is a God . The world belongs to someone. The world has an owner.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Ami said...

Just wanted to say, I am glad that I found this blog. Keep up the good work.

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:49:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Thankyou,Ami!

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gross says so much stupidity, its a wonder how a retard learned how to type.

I don't live in Flatbush, I never read one of those pamphlets. All I saw was that R' Ahron and R' Moshe did not hold of the eiruv, and that, frankly, is enough for me. It's never discussed ANYWHERE I go. It is only discussed by the ignorant haters of Hashem, like yourself, for example.


That's really it. You can't seem to raise any productive points. All you can do is put down talmidei chachomim. And you refuse to recognize that perhaps its time to get out of YOUR hole, and think straight. No, you are OBVIOUSLY correct. This whole blog is designed for the utter failure of the beis medrash system to sit around and project their insecurites and fundamental lack of self-worth on people far more accomplisehd than they. The whole concept is just mind numbingly stupid.

As far as that idiot who said something about my usurping the Jewish faith: you could not be more wrong. Where one engages in unproductive gedolim bashing, for really no reason (again, just CALL him, WRITE him, but bash him?) nothing is gained except for the denigration of those who learn and know the most. You don't put down the world's greatest doctors, yet good people like Rav Feldman were maligned without justification. That was my point. If you want to create your own "Jewish" views out of thin air, without a view rooted in Torah, without any principled interest in following what the Torah say, get lost, cause you are certainly NOT a Jew. And WE don't need you.


You did not

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:11:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hey anonymous genius,
Feldman has no answers,NISHTANA HATEVA is his answer to EVERY SINGLE QUESTION!

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

un orthodox (no genius)
its a FINE terutz offered by plenty of greats. If you actually learned and cared one wit for the Torah I may countenance your interest with more generosity--but every thing--EVERYTHING--you talk about is jaded so that you can press your agenda against Hashem. You Hate Hashem. You HATE his Torah. And you want to discredit it.

Go mourn (as though you care) about our lack of great leaders. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE!!! If you were in ponevez (which I doubt) you would acknoweldge Rav Povarsky as a great talmid chochom. They are all out there. But you have to press your hate, your venom, your vitriol, so you obscure reality, change facts, exaggerate, just to get your way.

You should have more integrity.

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:31:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

You are one nasty Dummy!(capital D)

You do not want to admit what we have today is many rabbonim that CAN NOT DEAL WITH THE CURRENT ISSUES,THEY ARE OVER THEIR HEADS.THEY CAN NOT GET AWAY WITH THEIR BS THAT WORKED FOR THEM TOO LONG!
WE ARE SMARTER THAN THEM,THAT'S RIGHT WE ARE MUCH SMARTER THAN THEM .EAT THAT YOU FOOL!

THEY TALK TO US LIKE WE ARE KINDERGARDEN KIDS.YOU WANT TO BUY IT??YOUR BRAIN DOESN'T DEMAND REAL INTELLIGENT ANSWERS?? I GOT A FEW BRIDGES TO SELL YOU!

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The worst thing about idiots like yourself is that you think you are smarter than EVERYONE.

You cannot even adress the substance of what I was saying, you just keep repeating your buzz words--those rabbis don't know, and, of course, you are sooooo much smarter than them.

How is Rav Dessler's approach more "logical" anyway?

What a crack pot.

Are you writing from Bellevue or something? Are you Napolean?

You don't know what you are talking about, you are just trying to vent your frustrations about being fundamentally unworthy for anything redeeming in the waste of human life that is your existence.

A Sonei Hashem AND a loser. All rolled into one.

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:26:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I have some great bridges to sell you.
Come on,pick one!
Easy for guys like you to walk around like cows in a field,going round & round,eating the same garbage day in day out.

They have no questions either.
Their rebbes (farmers) milk them as long as they got what to give,and than off to Rubashkin or to the highest bidder.

Don't you get it these guys are leading you to SLAUGHTER?

When you find out that they fed you BS all your life,and none of it is true,than what??
Good Luck.
I hope you do not own a gun!

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You do not want to admit what we have today is many rabbonim that CAN NOT DEAL WITH THE CURRENT ISSUES,THEY ARE OVER THEIR HEADS.THEY CAN NOT GET AWAY WITH THEIR BS THAT WORKED FOR THEM TOO LONG!
"WE ARE SMARTER THAN THEM,THAT'S RIGHT WE ARE MUCH SMARTER THAN THEM .EAT THAT YOU FOOL!

THEY TALK TO US LIKE WE ARE KINDERGARDEN KIDS.YOU WANT TO BUY IT??YOUR BRAIN DOESN'T DEMAND REAL INTELLIGENT ANSWERS?? I GOT A FEW BRIDGES TO SELL YOU!-....."

Unorthodox, you've said it - they just don't det it!

Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:57:00 AM  
Anonymous gross said...

Anonymous,

Oh, you've NEVER seen the pamphlets - why are we discussing it? Who ever heard of it...

Of course you haven't - you don't live in Flatbush! Sure you haven't heard anyone discussing it because nobody in Passaic (or in whatever back-woods town you inhabit) cares about it or is even relevant for that matter!

I saw was that R' Ahron and R' Moshe did not hold of the eiruv, and that, frankly, is enough for me...

Oh, so R' Ahron & R' Moshe said no (Did they? Have circumstances changed in the past few decades? Are there any other reputable Poskim who might hold of the Eiruv?) So let's not even go there! Abaye never disagreed with Rava, Shamai never argued a point with Hillel - right! Let's not even delve into the issue! Perhaps you should look into it and open your mind a little bit. It would be a lot more challenging then calling people silly names.

www.flatbusheruv.org

Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:13:00 AM  
Anonymous un-orthodox=conservadox said...

Un-Orthodox jew,
While you may raise some good points,I think it's advisable that you seek some medical attention to.
In your bio you write:That you come from a respectable, family, earned your semicha the 'hard' way, blah, blah.
Apparently you are angry that people have not realized how choshuv your lineage is, how many times you claim to have finished sha's, and most importantly that you work in REAL ESTATE!!!!!!Woweeee.Snob.
I almost fell off the chair laughing when I read, that you plan on hitting Ner Israel where it 'hurts':In the pocket.Lol. You are such a freak.Do you think that Ner Isreal needs you???Delusional, take you meds.

Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:05:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Thanks for reminding me, I'm off to the medicine cabinet.

Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After Maariv last night, someone showed me an interesting shtikel published in HaMesivta last year (the one published upon the 25th yartzeit of Hagaon Rav Gedalia Schorr z"l) where a maggid shiur there cited every gadol who was against the eiruv. He then outlined plenty of the arguments they made that still apply--if not more forcefully--today. You can look it up if you'd like, but he also records that R' Ahron, R' Moshe, R' Yakov, Rav Schorr, Rav Pam, the Debreczyner Rebbe, and many, many others who did not hold of it. Now I am sure that people may disagree. But until I find someone who ranks among these gedolei Yisroel to be arguing with them, with better sevaros, I really don't see why I should open my mind any more on a very simple issue. Maybe living in a "back woods" dorf entitles me to look at things more objectively than you. And maybe you should look into the issue better yourself.

As far un-orthodox's innane argument goes, you are the only one headed for slaughter. You just hate Rabbonim and assume yourself as the only one intelligent and original enough to see through their force. Like unorthodox=conservadox wrote above, you're delusional.

Friday, July 08, 2005 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger Abu Gingy said...

I like your analogy to technology causing the decay of totalitarian regimes.

Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your angry rant betrays your ignorance regarding Rabbi Neuberger. For starters, the decision to hire Rabbi Feldman is not an acceptence of the later's views. Ner Yisroel is the type of insitution capable of many opinions. You would not fault a secular, academic institution for hiring those with diverse viewpoints, and you should not hold a yeshiva to a different standard.
More importantly, Rabbi Neuberger will not be hurt by your lack of a contribution, (assuming that you give them anything!) as his reputation is such that I would find it hard to believe he would change anything based on people offering him or refusing him money.
In fact, the people who give him the most money are non-orthodox who disagree with almost everything the Yeshiva stands for.
Grow up and reclaim some of the dignity you must have had prior to this blog.

Sunday, July 17, 2005 3:19:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

You are wrong.
Harvard hires only people that fit into their world view...
Rabbi Neuberger is indeed a smart person,and he definitely controls the agendas of his employees.
I know him too well.
Ask Yisocher Frand.

Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:52:00 PM  
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