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Friday, September 02, 2005

The Most Evil And Retarded Jews

PRESS RELEASE BY NETUREI KARTA REPRESENTING ORTHODOX JUDAISM

Orthodox Judaism is incompatible with and totally opposes the philosophy known as Zionism. It condemns Zionism both on the grounds of religious belief and on the grounds of the religious requirement to be compassionate and humanitarian to all mankind.


Neturei Karta is the group name of those Orthodox Jews who are prepared to express openly their religious opposition to Zionism and their sympathy and solidarity with the Palestinian cause in their struggle against the Zionist oppression.


As part of their expression of support for the Palestinian cause, representatives of Neturei Karta take part in protests, which draw attention to the Palestinian struggle, whenever and wherever they can.
THE WORLD, through the Agency of the International Court of Justice, has been examining the legality or otherwise of the physical barrier known as ‘the wall’ being erected by the Zionist State between them and the Palestinians. Our position is as follows:


The Jews were exiled some two thousand years ago by Divine decree from the land now known as Palestine, because they did not maintain the standards expected of them. From that time on we were forbidden and forsworn by our Torah not to attempt to come out of exile through our own efforts. To do so would be a rebellion against the wish of the A-lmighty and we were warned of the dire consequences of transgressing this prohibition.


Exile means that Jews must be loyal subjects of the countries in which they live and not attempt to attain political power over the indigenous populations of those countries. This stringent religious requirement applies equally both in any country in the world and in Palestine, where the indigenous population is the Palestinian people.


Added to the above is the religious humanitarian requirement to treat all individuals and peoples with compassion and consideration. To forcefully deprive a people of their homes and country is totally contrary to this requirement.


It follows therefore that it is the Palestinians, the indigenous population of Palestine, who have the right to rule in Palestine today. According to the Torah and Jewish faith, the Palestinian Arab claim to rule in Palestine is right and just. The Zionist illegitimate claim is illegal and what is more must inevitably be based on loss of life and deprivation of property.Orthodox Jewry, therefore, pass no opinion on the legality or otherwise of ‘the wall’. We do however pass an opinion of ABSOLUTE ILLEGALITY on the ZIONIST STATE known as ‘Israel’. The root cause of ‘the wall’ is the illegitimate Zionist State that has caused untold suffering to both Jews and Arabs for decades. So many people ignore the root cause of the hate that has spread and engulfed the globe today.


IF THE ZIONIST STATE WERE TO BE DISMANTLED THE WHOLE QUESTION OF ‘THE WALL’ WOULD DISAPPEAR.


We want to tell the world, especially our Palestinian neighbours, that there is no hatred or animosity between Jew and Arab. We wish to live together as friends and neighbours. Let us not forget the peaceful coexistence between Jews and Arabs that existed throughout the centuries. All those memories vanished with the advent of Zionism.
The Zionist oppression of Arabs in Palestine is a tragedy for both the Palestinian and the Jewish peoples.


Opposition to Zionism and its crimes does not mean a hatred for Jews, so called ‘antisemitism’. On the contrary Zionism and its deeds are the biggest threat to Judaism and the biggest cause of ‘antisemitism’
Zionism is not Judaism - Zionists do not represent the Jews



We pray for an end to bloodshed, an end to the suffering of our Palestinian brethren and all innocent people worldwide. We are waiting for the annulment of Zionism and the peaceful dismantling of the Zionist regime, and would welcome the opportunity to dwell in peace in the holy land under a rule entirely in accordance with Palestinian aspirations.
NETUREI KARTA

21 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Friday, September 02, 2005 2:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Guernsey said...

I also think that NK is messed up. But your use of the word "retarded" is insensitive and shows that you have the emotional age of a 10 year old.

Friday, September 02, 2005 5:36:00 AM  
Blogger Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky said...

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
Why does it make someone eveil and retarded to understand the Torah differntly than you do?
What is achieved by branding Naturei Karta evil and retarded?
Will it change their minds?
Is it part of a socratic or Talmudic method of debate? :-)
brocha ve'ha'tzlocha!

Ariel Sokolovsky
http://www.MoshiachTV.Blogspot.com
Long Live our master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!

Friday, September 02, 2005 5:45:00 AM  
Blogger Tex said...

At this point, I doubt rejecting Zionism will change anything in relation to the "Palestinians." They still desire ever last Jew into the sea, and even then I doubt they'd be happy. This almost sounds as an invitation to do just that, and without the opposition of a jewish state. Interesting concept though.

Friday, September 02, 2005 9:05:00 AM  
Anonymous gross said...

Neturei Karta leadership at its finest:

Cut and past this link into your browser.

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ClipMediaID=64448&ak=null

Friday, September 02, 2005 9:42:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Guernsey,
You have a word fetish.
Change "retarded" tu "F" UPD JEWS.

Friday, September 02, 2005 10:52:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Ariel,
Your argument is really about your defense of the nonsense you practice.
The Rebbe was a great man, you guys destroyed his legacy.

Friday, September 02, 2005 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Tex,
Like the messed up right wing Christians, we have our Fundies as well.
No reasoning with these programmed robots.

Friday, September 02, 2005 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Good Jew said...

UO-Finally you and Lipshutz agree on something!!

Friday, September 02, 2005 11:07:00 AM  
Blogger kjef1 said...

dear, Many Rabbonim were against
secular zionism. The Netarei Karta
are not original in this very idea. The problem with neutrei karta is that they support killers
and extreme antisemites. This is where they appear to be lunatics.
A person can be anti zionist on religious grounds, yet to support killers and walk together with mrderers is unexcusable.We must support Israel today because Jewish lives are at stake. When
the naturei karter walk with Nazi
fascist arabs, they become like their "friends".The naturai karta
should not be delusional in thinking that they are safe, their
murderous Friends hate them as well
perhapes even more so.

Friday, September 02, 2005 4:52:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Kjef1,
We are in agreement on this one.

Friday, September 02, 2005 5:09:00 PM  
Blogger Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky said...

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
"Un-Orthodox Jew said...
Ariel,
Your argument is really about your defense of the nonsense you practice.
The Rebbe was a great man, you guys destroyed his legacy.

10:54 AM
"
1)You didn't really answer my question which means you have nothing of substance to answer.
2)You should go to Otzar770.com
and read the things the Rebbe said about Zionism in particular the idea of the religious Zionists that the state of Israel is "hitchalta de'geula" called it foolishness and heresy belief in a false Messiah and responsible for terror in peacetime among other things...(here is an actual bookmark with a list of some of his quotes on this topic:
http://www.otzar770.com/personalize_general/bookmark_list.asp?NewBookmark=true&nFolderId_in=152 to make it easier for you to check this out)
I guess you now want to add him to your list of evil and retarded leaders since disagreed with you on something and trashed one of your idols...correct?:-)
Also as a Chassidim bashing "chocham" it's strange how come you fall for Lubavitch propaganda and didn't yet read something like: http://www.identifyingchabad.org
which clearly proves from primary sourses that the Rebbe is the one directly responsible for even the most extreme "meshugas" in Chabad that is going on right now. For a guy who claims to know the inner workings of Lakewood Boro Park and Wiliamsburg you sure missed the major "transgressions" in Crown Heights... which sugests you just pretend to be a "know it all" whith "evidence to back it up" ...
Shabbat shalom.
Brocha ve'hatzlocha!
Ariel Sokolovsky
http://www.MoshiachTV.Blogspot.com
(PS. If anyone here wonders why I'm "trying" to turn Un-Orthodox Jew into another Chabad hater there are two answers for you to pick from:
1) Everyone knows that Mashichistim are not normal and one doesn't ask qustions on a meshuginer.
2) I have some kind of hidden agenda not yet obvious to you...:-)

Friday, September 02, 2005 7:34:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

Ariel,

Being against the idea of Zionism is DIFFERENT than holding the hands (publicly!) of cold-blooded murderers. Clean your glasses, UO already said that.

Also in our non-Lubavitch community we couldn't give two shi*s about what is going on in Crown Heights. We have enough on our own plate. Crown Heights feels the same about us. You're all over the place, Sokolovsky.

Saturday, September 03, 2005 9:56:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Gross,
What in the world is this Moshiach monger talking about?

Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:43:00 PM  
Blogger Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky said...

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
gross said...
Ariel,
Being against the idea of Zionism is DIFFERENT than holding the hands (publicly!) of cold-blooded murderers.

According to the understanding of Torah and halocha by the leaders of Neturei Karta ( www.nkusa.org ) the Zionist movement and the creation of a Jewish state in the land of Israel before Moshiach comes especially a Jewish state established and run by Jews whose ideology opposes traditional Judaism is the worst danger to the Jewish people as long as it exists and as such one must do everything in ones power to cause it to cease to exist.
While me or you may disagree with their beliefs one can't help but admire their zeal in clinging to them for more than 50 years despite being constantly mocked abused and humiliated by almost everybody.
Ben Gurion told Rabbi David Hollander that he has more respect for Naturei Karta than for the Mizrachi (Religious Zionists) since he felt that the Mizrachi ideology was a product of pragmatic political considerations and not a true conviction and thus not subject to change while the beliefs of Naturei Karta are grounded in their understanding of halocha and thus are not subject to change. (mentioned in the interview of Rabbi Hollander to Rabbi Chaim Dalfin in
Conversations with the Rebbe
- interviews with 14 Jewish figures about Rabbi Schneerson http://www.jewishinfo.org/books.htm#Conversations%20with%20the%20Rebbe


Also in our non-Lubavitch community we couldn't give two shi*s about what is going on in Crown Heights. We have enough on our own plate.

In that case it's you who should as you said : "Clean your glasses"
since the very meat on your own plate has to do "what's going on in Crown Heights" read something like http://www.identifyingchabad.org
which explains that (in view of the rabbis quoted in the book) there are questions about Chabad schita , Chabad eidus and more due to the Rebbe's repeated statements and our resulting beliefs about the nature of the Rebbe and "hiskashrus" to Him. (While in my opinion their analysis is shallow the rabbinic opinions they quote are deliberately stacked in favor of their interpretation and under closer examination exactly same "halachik" concerns would apply to many other Chassidic and some non Chassidic groups why should you listen to me being a Lubavitcher and thus biased. If you are guys are so earlicher and G-d fearing Jews as you claim to be (and not bunch of am harotzim with nothing else better to do than engage in worthless idle slander and gossip leading nowhere as would seem from this blog) you should have investigated the issue long ago.
Crown Heights feels the same about us.
When I said Crown Heights I meant Chabad Lubavitchers in general our ideology and actions which for sure affect you in many ways as explained above.
You're all over the place, Sokolovsky.
9:56 PM

Interesting that you say that...
Haven't you heard of our motto "Ufaratsta" - "וּפרצתּ ימה וקדמה צפוֹנה ןנגבּה" - "And you shall spread forth To the west, to the east, to the north, and to the south.
Breishis 28:14 [By the way notice the gematria of the perek and posuk 28 is "Yechi" (also gematria of koach- power) and 14 is Chabad (also gematria of Dovid...:-)]"
With respect and blessing.
Ariel Sokolovsky http://www.torah.5u.com/aboutme.html
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!

Sunday, September 04, 2005 3:48:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Ariel,

You are a Moshiach basket case.

I feel sorry for you,because that's the only thing in your life that brings you hope.

He is not coming back you delusional shmuck!
Go to the cemetery and take a good look.
He is buried under six feet of dirt, encased by a concrete tomb.
Where in Yiddishkeit do we have any reference that Moshiach will be buried and rise up?
How crazy can you possibly be to believe this BS and try to get others to buy into this insanity?

Get a life!

Sunday, September 04, 2005 1:47:00 PM  
Anonymous yaakov said...

Neturai Karta-builders of the city? Choiruvay karta DESTROYERS OF THE CITY!
Ariel- IF MOSHE RABBENU DIED WHAT ON THIS EARTH COULD STOP THE REBBE FROM DYING???????????????? YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GO TO A BT YESHIVA WITH A PSYCOLOGIST!!!! I think DK is in the midst of putting one together. the whole meshichist movement should be on line with regitration forms signed and a tuition check in their hand.
P.S. whats with the picture? we know what you look like without one.

Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:35:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Yaakov,
MOST of these guys are way too far gone.
How do you convince someone that believes a dead guy is really alive and hiding, to join Real Jews.
Teshuva is possible but really not probable.

Tuesday, September 06, 2005 7:10:00 PM  
Blogger Rabbi Ariel Sokolovsky said...

By the grace of G-d
Shalom uBrocha!
Yaakov and Un-OrthoJew for one thing have you at least read the Torah sources talking about Moshiach from the "dead" ?
For another thing why do you assume that I believe that those sources or various statements of the Rebbe refer to Moshiach diging himself out of the grave walking to 770 etc.
Rambam would laugh at you like he did at people who interpreted midrashim according to literal pshat...
Get a clue read 2nd half of the Daniel 7(Moshiach coming on the "clouds of heaven") for example and commentaries there does it look like anything you just mentioned?
For 11 years all you and silly am horotzim like you could do is mock...
Wake up! Go learn the issue in primary sources not just various for and against web/newspaper text-bytes...
If the people like yourself would be the only "Real Jews" Jewish people wouldn't survive till now...
Brocha veHatzlocha!
May you have a good and sweet year phisicly and spiritualy!
May Moshiach be revealed to you even before Rosh Hashana!
Ariel Sokolovsky
PS. If you have questions on the topic of Moshiach and other issues call me 617-3722312
Long Live our Master our Teacher and our Rebbe King Moshiach Forever and Ever!

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:45:00 AM  
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Wow. Ariel is completely off his rocker. LOL

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