Saturday, August 20, 2005



I am about to expose the Girl’s Seminary Industry in Israel. This might shock you and cause great discomfort, so if you are faint-hearted or have a love-affair with the ones that are causing great danger to the Jewish people, DO NOT READ FURTHER.

A close friend of mine was dating a girl who attended Darchei Binah Seminary in Israel. Darchei Binah, for those not in the know, is considered the “IVY LEAGUE” of seminaries. According to the girl there was a “choshuve” man who was regularly invited by Darchei Binah and other seminaries in Israel to lecture.

This “Rabbi” got “chummy-chummy” with the naive girls and often invited them over to his house for an “inspirational” Shabbos. In middle of the night, while his wife was asleep, he would sneak into the most vulnerable of the girls’ rooms - usually the one sleeping alone - in order to engage in deviant, sexual behavior. He took advantage of these girls who considered him a GOD! He attempted to do so with this particular girl but she refused his advances which included “rubbing her shoulder and her leg.” He also used to “rub his crotch against the back of a chair while talking to the girls in class.” He was masturbating in front of them! This girl refuses to disclose his name because – get this – she says it’s lashon hara!! We’re talking about good girls!

The stories don’t end here. The deans, administrators and young “Rebbeim” of these seminaries are the most perverted, crooked, bastard individuals with an unhealthy interest in these girls. They couldn’t hack it anywhere else in the yeshiva system so they prey on the most innocent of our community –girls at a critical time in their lives, desperate for love, attention and approval from these animals The girls come to Israel – and these are some of the “best girls” for a chance to get away, socialize, learn a little and experience the beautiful and holy Land of Israel and they are TAKEN ADAVNTAGE OF!

This is an excerpt from the Darchei Binah website:

“…Prominent Torah scholars transmit the mesorah in a way which is both timeless and appropriate for the needs of our student body. Faculty members meet with students on an individual basis to provide caring guidance and insight into confronting the challenges of life…”

The basis in which they “meet” students is s little too individual! We know how you transmit the “Mesorah” you sickos!

It’s not only Darchei Binah…

Someone who I am very close with attended Ateres Bnos Yerushalayim Seminary. The head of this place, “Rabbi” Hillel Belsky is feared by these girls and is considered holy. This girl, I’ll call “Devorah” felt very uncomfortable when Belsky constantly called her into his private office and tried to get her to “open up to him.” This pervert had the chutzpah to call Devorah’s mother telling her that her daughter is refusing to open up to him and get close to him. The girl’s mother responded angrily: “Why would you want to get close to my daughter? I don’t like how that sounds. Back off! This is completely inappropriate!”

Besides for being a pervert Belsky is a thief. Two weeks after the year began he expelled a student from the seminary because she attended a concert – I know this girl personally! She is a sweet, frum, “out-of-towner” with wonderful middos. The worst part is he refused to refund any part of the tuition she paid - we’re talking $12,000!

He immediately accepted another girl in her place too, so he can’t claim he was losing money. There is a special, warm spot for you in HELL Belsky! You won’t be considered “powerful” up there (or rather down there…)

How do we stand by and allow these people to run seminaries and practically live with and brainwash (and worse) these girls all year? What kind of influence are they having? Why are men running all-girl seminaries? Let me say that again: WHY ARE MEN RUNNING ALL GIRLS SEMINARIES? Why can’t women run them? I’ll tell you why – it’s a SCAM..
These people are enterprising, perverted lunatics!!!!

Tuition for Darchei Binah and other seminaries is now $14,000 per year! One meal a day is offered to the girls with no meals on Shabbos!!!!! What a scam! The meal that is served during the day must be distributed by the girls! They are responsible to serve and clean!!! Where is the $14,000 going?
How are we allowing this?

So why are the girls going to seminary you ask? Why are their parents sending them? Because they are being recruited! The heads of these institutions visit girls’ high schools all over in order to convince them to come to their seminary. They give speeches about their “hashkafas” and why their seminary is different than all the others (meanwhile many of these seminaries are owned by the same person!) Meanwhile the girls are glazed – they eat all this talk up while dreaming of spiritual growth. These guys are laughing all the way to the bank…

And the girls are not just being screwed financially either!

Ever wonder why so many girls come back from Seminary after the year with a whole new set of problems including depression, anorexia, bulimia and other mental disorders? NOW YOU KNOW!!!

I am reminded of another incident (believe me – it’s one of many) between a girl I personally know and a one “Rabbi” Daniel Mechanic. Mechanic is quite famous in the Kiruv and “youth-at-risk” circuit. This did not take place in seminary but it serves to illustrate my point.

“Rabbi” Mechanic was in a room with the door completely closed (YICHUD!!!!! But it happens all the time) speaking with the then 17 year-old. (The girl is now 24) The girl was from a very large and choshuve family and was experiencing typical “at risk” problems and engaging in “wild behavior” (talking to boys – so wild!)

Her parents (idiots!) sent her to Mechanic so he can speak to her and behind closed doors he got way too comfortable with her and proceeded to ask some very personal questions. He asked her if she is a virgin and when she said yes, he still begged her to tell him how far she got with a guy. “I need details” he said! “C’mon you can tell me,” he coaxed. This is a sick man that gets a lot of respect. I’m sure many of you know him. Mechanic, it’ll be all over for you soon. You will slip a little and you will end up like Lanner from NCSY! Your dirty intentions will be known. It may take time but you’re going down! This goes for other “youth-at-risk” professionals too, with way too much interest in boys.

These people are getting away with it right under our noses! Stand up and do something before it happens to your beautiful daughter!

Why are you entrusting your daughters with people you don’t know? Some dirt bag disguised in a beard and payus is taking advantage of your daughter. Your daughter who you raised for the past 18 years is being wrecked by some failure who can’t keep it in his pants.

“This can’t be” you say. Sure it can! And it is happening. Who are these people that run the schools? Do you know ANYthing about them? No! Of course not. Oh they have a beard? They have a penis too and miserable wives. Would you trust someone to baby sit your infant in your own home for a few hours if you didn’t know them? Well your daughter is 6000 miles away, homesick, confused and at a sicko’s whim. Again, I’m not only talking about the “modern” seminaries. These are the frummiest of the frummiest girls. The more frum, the more they are taken advantage of. Do you know that these vile creatures call girls into their offices and berate them for not “growing enough spiritually” and convince them to come back for a second year (that’s another $10000+) until the girls are in tears?
Didn’t think so!


Anonymous Gross is a wimp said...

One word for this 'guest' blogger:Pathetic!!!!
Unorthodox, we expected better.

Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have sent two daughters to seminaries. I do not relate to this particular blog at all. I will grant the seminaries are very expensive...well, that's business. But I never heard stuff like what's on this blog.

Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:30:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

You can't handle the truth?

Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I sent my daughter to Israel seminary and I have had several nieces also attend over the past several years. All of them came back well-adjusted and happy for having had the opportunity to spend the year in the Holy Land.

I have several friends and acquaintences that have also sent their daughters to Israeli Seminaries. I have yet to hear even a smidgeon of this kind of behavior having occurred.

Are the tuition charges obscenely high? Yes! Are the girls being taken advantage of by having to fend for themselves on Shabbos? Definitely! Can something be done about this? Absolutely! But only if all parents band together and demand these changes and services or we don't send our daughters. It can be accomplished.

The lure, a very powerful one, of course, is spending a year in Eretz Yisroel.

Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny you should mention Hillel Belsky. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I remember Belsky from Mesivta Chaim Berlin and it seems he takes after his perverted father who ran away with the wife of the shul presidents in Memphis where he was hired as a "rabbi" in the late 60's early 70's.

Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will grant that there are some rabbis who do try to take advantage of women. As a divorce attorney, I have had my share of female Jewish clients relate that when they sought marriage counseling from rabbis, the rabbis hit on them. And then, there is the huge scandal still brewing in Monsey which is still being covered in this week's Jewish Press. Rabbis who hit on women, steal, and act like retarded jerks are the number one reason that people lose emunah.

Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes,I agree.
What is anyone doing about it?

Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:57:00 PM  
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I am only removing SPAM posts!

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Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:48:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...


Your nieces were lucky. Sure it doesn't happen to EVERYBODY but even one story should exceed any sane person's tolerance limit.

Why don't you look into the particular seminaries I've denounced? Talk to girls who've attended - and not just one or two. The truth is, many will deny it. These girls are ashamed and a lot is at stake for them.

It's not uncommon for sex offenders to admit harming someone while the victim subsequently denies it. So because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Believe me, I wish it were untrue...

Saturday, August 20, 2005 11:51:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...


Very interesting post! Didn't Sarah teach the women, and not Avraham? That would be in line with your suggestion that women should run the girl's seminaries. How come this is ignored?

Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:58:00 AM  
Blogger AmEchad said...

If society doesnt resolve these problems today, assholes like Levi Kranz will be running seminaries one day!!!

Gross, great post!! You should be zoche to many many more!! Horny Rabbi's exist everywhere, not only in seminary's. There is a rabbi in a certain yeshiva, which I will expose another time, that thrives off hearing his "bochurim" sexual encounters. A freind of mine, was asked numerous questions such as "was she swearing panties"? "did you fell them"? These guys need porn!!!

Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:42:00 AM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...


You are dead on. Not every fellah needs to run a yeshivah or seminary. Some some just need a a premium membership to nerve.com.

I still don't understand why Boruch Lanner was tolerated for so long. This was the OU for cryng out loud! Not the frummer than G-D, he has a big beard and a black hat, what could be the problem, crowd.

Sometimes I feel ours is a theology based on denial.
Well, if so, we aren't the only ones. Small comfort that is.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:05:00 AM  
Anonymous xyz said...

I know the Belsky family well, and as far as I know, the father Rav Meir is still married to his original wife, the mother of his sons who were all born in the 40's and 50's, and never ran away with anyone.
Does this blog exist for anyone to just say anything without a shred of proof?

Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:01:00 AM  
Blogger Shlomo said...

Absolutely ridiculous and VILE lies. This blog is worse than DER STURMER. Unortho shame on you.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:10:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Where there is cholent, there is heartburn.
Zeh klal godol B'Torah.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:23:00 AM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

Comparing Jews to Nazis is always fun, but it does detract from one's credibility.

For those interested, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law on Godwin's Law.

Essentially, if you invoke the comparison of Nazi's, nevermind blatantly call someone that, you lose, as it means you didn't have anything better to say.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While agree that wierd stuff goes on at these places, the attack on Rav Belsky is unfair. Of all people, I would not be choshed him.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gross -- Please do me a favor and contact me at employeebeware@yahoo.com
concerning Darchei Binah.


A reader

Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:02:00 AM  
Blogger Rel said...

Wow, your post is so moth eaten that it's falling to pieces whilst I look at it. I have friends from across the hashkafic spectrum who all attended different seminaries recently, and none have any stories like this. Your problem seems like a confused mix; is it the previously unheard of sexual antics by the rabbonim which bothers you? Or is it the fees? Or are you that bitter that you just chuck in any old argument which will back your anti-religious rhetoric. How do you get a kick out of engaging in this type of slander? You're an anonymous blogger with no proof... a sad, sad person in what must be a very lonely existence.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And since when is Darchei Bina one of the frummest seminaries for the best girls??

It's actually one of the more modern ones.

Now, try gateshead... only male teachers and I doubt you would find anything like that there.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Farshtoonkena Yid said...

The Rabbi and the Ladies

The Rabbi liked the ladies,
the Ladies liked the rav;
he gave them lots of aitzes,
and spoke to them of love.

The ladies of New Hempstead
they wiggled and they danced
each knew that SHE was special
inside the Rabbi's pants.

He told one that he loved her
would cherish her for life
as soon as he could figure
out how to dump his wife.

The rebbetzin was angry
she threw her pots and pans
the rabbi laughed and told her
"You know I am DA MAN."

But one of them was crazy
and chased him day and night
She never let the rabbi
Vanish from her sight.

She stalked him at his office
She stalked him at his home
She stalked him for his kisses
She stalked him for his bone.

"You said you'd always love me,
That you'd cherish me and more
But now I see you lied to me!
You went from door to door!"

Then someone wrote a letter.
She sent it all around;
She said that Rabbi you know who
threw me on the ground.

Soon the world of Torah
Was glowing with delight.
The Rav was in a scandal
The Rav said he would fight.

The Heilige Raboonim
They met and stroked their beards,
"This rav can't keep his pants on."
They tossed him on his ears.

The Rav said, "You can't do that,
We have to litigate
across the sea in Israel
Let's go, I cannot wait."

The heileige raboonim
they had a different plan
"Let's try this guy in Monsey
Then throw him in the can."

"Monsey is so scary,
The Beis Din there is nuts
Three illiterate Chasidim
A shoita, shmuck and putz.

"surely they will hang me
and leave me there to dry
while all my lovely ladies
Sit around and cry."

Now the shul sits empty
its coffers very low
a golem in the corner
and in the back, a ho.

The story is not over
Its really quite a mess
But this poem's getting silly
So here, I think I'll rest.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Be honest, now; Were you and UO sexually molested as teenagers?

By your Father? Mother? Rebbe? Camp Counselor? Siblings? Peers?

Sure sounds like it.

That's the only explanation I can come up with to explain you guys' same one-note explanations and descriptions of Hareidi Jews...every purported ill, every malfeasence, every wrongdoing, is traced back by you guys to some sexual dysfunction and/or perversion.

If you guys were sexually molested then your transferance and projection is understandable but sorely misguided.

The answer is not lash out but to get yourselves the help you desperately need.

BTW, Darchei Binah is not even close to being the most right-wing Seminary in Jerusalem. Try Michlalah, Bnos Chavah, BJJ. Perhaps I live in an Ivory Tower, but neither I nor my friends and acquaintences have ever heard of such things as you describe going on.

Guys, get yourselves some Professional help, fast, before you self-destruct.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Kudos to you for an obviously "hit a raw nerve" blog.

Ladies and gentlemen,

If you want feel good stuff, you aint getting it here.
Our board is gonna smoke out ALL the thieves, perverts and phonies that have created a business of hurting people.

The more you slam us, the more we know that our claims are valid.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Shlomo said...

Dave K,
First I'm surprised you've heard of Der Sturmer. Second, I think the analogy fits like a glove, NAZI or not. BTW you are worse in that Streicher loved his own people, BUT You guys hate yours. He would never stoop so low.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:05:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...


You add a new dimension to our group.
Come here to get the truth, for a laugh, and for poetry!

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:08:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...


Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger AmEchad said...


You are a meeyus guy with nothing inteligent to say!! How can you compare the bashing of horny rabbi's to Nazi propoganda?! You try to sound sophisticated but you just dont get it!!
Down with the Horny Rabbi's!!!
You obviusly cant handle the truth!

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

amechad, Gross, UO;

Where's the proof about the sex perverts in the Israeli girls seminaries? Again, because you scream that it's true, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, doesn't make it so.

RE: Tendler. Is he guilty? Maybe, Maybe not. But innocent until proven so. If the RCA indeed had an open and shut case they wouldn't be working overtime stalling from appearing in front of the Jerusalem Beis Din.

Remember Sgt. Friday on the old Dragnet series: "Just the facts, Ma'am, just the facts."

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:40:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

The proof is in the panties, oh, I mean the pudding!

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Masha said...

How's the above as a nice, befitting comment for a guy who claims he 'learns every day' AND HAS SEMICHA??
Shame on you, you dirty old man.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:29:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I happen to be a young man with a sense of humor.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:52:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Thank G-D for the Toirah,Could you imagine what my jokes would look like if I didn't loin every day?

Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Appalled said...

The RCA threw Tendler out, because as a private organization they have a right to admit or expel anyone they want. They don't need an "open and shut case." They don't even need a case. They heard plenty and decided that one of their members should be expelled. That's it, as far as the RCA goes, which is the least of it. The real problem goes way way beyond anything the RCA does or does not do with its membership list.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:00:00 PM  
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Blogger Shlomo said...

Unortho, when you counsel Christian and tell him that there good yeshivos out there, which ones are you referring to? I need to know which mosdos you approve of in your infallible esteemed opinion.

BTW you never addressed my charges of fraud regarding your semicha and degree from NYU LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL OH YEAH Both by age 19. YEAH RIGHT!

Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:02:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

If you are convinced this is fraudulent why do you continuously devour every post? I guess you have nothing better to do with your time.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


When I want "feel good" stuff, I know where to get it.

From you and the "board", I want documentable facts, not innuendo, heresay, and slander.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Gross, you pathetic putz!

You slam the whole Seminary movement in Yerushalayim, devoted mechanchim and mechaneches based on get this, folks, 2 !!?? hearsay stories!!?? You been smokin some bad weed, Gross.

You wanna do an expose. I got the perfect expose for ya:

Strip down to your Hanes underwear, get yourself a guitar, and haul your flabby, cellulite , hairy ass over to 44th and Broadway and join together with The Naked Cowboy on his stage.

I wanna see you guys duet "Shake That Thing". I'll be the first one to drop a buck in your cup.

Who knows, this might open up a whole new career path for ya. Letterman, Leno! Remember Tiny Tim?!

Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:45:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hey Shlomo,
For $100,000 to My favorite tzedaka, I will prove it!


You put the money in Machon L'horoah trust account,with instructions to release the money to Tomchei Shabbos,and I will provide you with the documents.

Hey Pipick,Can you put together 100 dollars???

Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:14:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Tiny Shmeckel anonymous,

Are you saying the charges are not true, or do you just feel like attacking Jews who are determined to slowly but surely get rid of the BASTARDS hurting our kids?

Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya talking to me? UO, ya little ass-fart, wipe-ass, mofo.

That's exactly what I'm sayin. Don't hide behind Machon lahoroyah, with your monoply gelt, whoever the heck they are.

2, count'em 2 hearsay stories and that is in your opinion the whole truth, in which ya smear scores of dedicated good people, ya pathetic low-life shmuck ass-wipe.

Ya got facts, put em up right here on the blog, bring forth witnesses with testimony that can be checked and verified. But it ain't gonna happen, ya know why...because ya don't got it, shmuck.

So strip down to your skivvies, take your napolean complex and a banjo and join your comrade shmuck putz Gross (appropriately named) at The Naked Cowboy's stand. BTW, I hear from very reliable sources that you and Gross like threesomes! How about that! A Yoreh Yoreh, Yadin Yadin in a threesome!! YOWZA! That should be a real scoop for the Center For Awareness!

And guess what, when ya get over to the Naked Cowboy's stand, I got a buck for your cup, too.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:40:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Tiny Shmeckel,

What happens when you really get angry??
Beat the wife and the kids??

Hit a raw nerve did I???(pun intended)

Take you and your circus, your bearded lady, midgets,and all the mishpocho, and kiss our butts!

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:07:00 PM  
Blogger Avi said...

Rabbi Dovid Eidensohn writes an article, and sure enough Dr Yaakov Stern, the great

defender of the "Kovod" of the Rosh Yeshivas comes to their aid. First of all if

these Rosh Yeshivas the so called Gedolim are really so great then their actions

and opinions, need no one to defend them, they speak for themselves. And if they

are not so special, then the criticism is warranted and should be brought to light.

After all there are trueGedolim and then there are Gedolim who are not such

Gedolim. Somehow the real Gedolim, in my opinion like Dr. Rabbi Tendler never

seem to get involved in such silly issues. One example is the issue of this silly

business of the unkosher Sheitels. Some Chasidim actually ran out to burn their

wives Sheitels. I wonder if Dr Stern was one of them. That issue blew over and

thousands of dollars of Jewish Money went up in flames along with the reputations

of some of these Gedolim who decided that these Sheitels were not kosher.

Perhaps if these supposed Gedolim hat waited a little longer they could have made

a better and wiser decision. The thousands of dollars that were wasted in burning

these perfectly good Sheitels could have gone to a much better use then bonfires in

the streets. Several years ago there was a movie called " Bonfires Of The Vanities"

I suppose we can call this the same thing.

Then there was the issue of the water in New York. The same water that the

Satmar Rebbe and the the Lubavitcher Rebbe, and most important Rav Moshe

Feinstein also drank. How come there was no issue of the water then? After all

microscopes had been around for many years. All of a sudden it becomes an issue

I honestly think that if someone had even mentioned this issue to Rav Moshe

Feinstein he would have laughed this whole thing off and told the person to go back

and learn something. But then of course that was a true Godol.

Then came the issue of the Strawberries. Instead of telling people to wash the

strawberries with lots of water to make sure to wash all the bugs out, some of the

supposed Gedolim said not to eat strawberries. As if we dont have enough

" Chumros" people have to go out and find more of them.

Then came the affair of Rabbi Slifkin better known as the Zoo Rabbi. Some of the

supposed Gedolim couldn't wait to jump on the bandwagon and ban his books.

Some of these Gedolim could not even read English, how could they possibly know

that there were things in there that they might object to? But there they were lining

up to sign a ban on reading his books. All they actually accomplished was that his

books became a booming sucess.

And my very favorite "Chumro" of the week is the issue of why so many people

on their 30s and 40s are not married. When I was a young man ( just not so young )

many of the Bochurim that I knew were learning in yeshiva half a day ( some even

longer) and were going to College at night. These young men managed to meet girls

on their own, in the park on Shabbos afternoon or in Shul on Shabbos morning after

Davening or even at what was called parties.Please understand that I am talking

about Frum Jews. Then the supposed Gedolim said that young boys and girls

should nor socialize together and a whole new industry was born or actually

revived. The Shaddchunim were very happy. But that was the begining of the end.

Thousand of young Jewish men and women were left unmarried because supposedly

it was not proper for young boys and girls to talk to each other and now we have

thousands of 30s and 40s young jewish man and women who are left unmarried.

Thousands of young Jewish men and women who dont know the happiness of having

a spouse to come home to. But the real tragedy is the thousands of babies, Jewish

babies that were never born, that were never given a chance to live . That is the true

tragedy, that we lost a generation of Jewish Children.

Perhaps the Gedolim should do what they do best, and not get involved in things

that are out of their domain. After all Dr Yaakov Stern says that they have very busy

schedules. That being the case they might be better of staying in the Yeshiva and

learning another Blat gemorah. Some issues should be left to the plain average Jew

who sometimes has more " Saychel" then anyone else. Remember " all that glitters

is not gold". And some of the Gedolim are not really Gedolim. Perhaps Dr Stern

should go sit in a yeshiva somewhere, where he might be happiest. Remember this

is the same Dr Yaakov Stern that denigrated thousands of Frum Shomer Shabbos

torah learning Jews, just because they chose to daven in a Young Israel or other

modern Orthodox shuls, Perhaps Dr Yaakov Stern should stick to the issues of

where to get more money to fund Jewish Education for all Jewish Children instead of

getting involved in issues that are out of his realm. Now that would be a real Mitzvah

Rabbi Avi Inger

PO Box 955
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Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bunim Berger like to play with small children!!!

Monday, August 22, 2005 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that all ya got, ass-wipe? Weak, very weak. Ya got no cajones. I betcha your cajones are as big as bird-specs.

What happened? Ya take steroids, pal?
Is that how you get your shtarker bluff persona? Big no-no, steroids, they destroy your beitzim. Just look at what happened to Jose Canseco. All the girls he shtuped were aggravated and dumped him when they saw he had no cajones. All of 'em except Madonna who was so toked on weed she didn't know the difference.

Is this the scene with you, you mini-petzel? Yo missus aggravated and givin yo an earful cause she got nothing to hold onto when you give her the shtup?

I betcha you and Gross get off every time you write and read the drek ya put on this blog.

Steroids, heh! You and that other tzadDICK, Raffy Palmiero got a lot in common. He sanctimoniously gave Congress the finger and ya giving the finger to the fine jewish men and women that are sacrificing to give jewish girls the right proper education in the Holy City of Jerusalem. No proof, just smears, ya little putz face.

Ya got the same credibility as Raffy P: NONE.

Yoreh Yadin, my foot! The only yad you got is your hand on your beitzim-less mini-petzel, strokin it every time ya write your drek on this page.

Ya low-life shmuck.

Monday, August 22, 2005 7:22:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Rabbi Avi,
Thanks for posting your letter.
There are a bunch of us that can't handle the craziness that has permeated Yiddishkeit.
Keep writing, and you are welcome to be a guest blogger if you please.
Thanks Again,

Monday, August 22, 2005 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous mir said...

I don't know about sexual assualt, but I do know that extreme theft happens all the time with seminaries.
I went to R. Belsky's seminary in it's first year, and 3 girls were kicked out without prior warning during the first month- simply for going to Ben Yehuda. They were kicked out immediately and none of their tuition money was returned to them.
They didn't deserve this.
Fortunately they all went to seminaries that had staff that actually cared about them, and they didn't need to listen to incessent brainwashing for the rest of the year.
They were lucky!!!!

Monday, August 22, 2005 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Pukemeister said...

One of the gravest problems facing Torah Jewry today is that the "rabbonim" have become first and foremost fundraisers for their own pockets. What happened to the Tzaddikim of old, the rabbis and rebbetzins who were sources of inspiration? Today we have a professional cadre of "educators" who are in reality businesspeople who have figured out how to turn their schools into highly profitable businesses for themselves. I am so turned off by what I see I want to puke.

Monday, August 22, 2005 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Dear Puke,

Monday, August 22, 2005 1:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Modern said...

Darchei bina is not one of the frum seminaries

Monday, August 22, 2005 1:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Kalman said...

Hey how about some more poetry. Those are great!

Monday, August 22, 2005 1:54:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

I regret what I wrote in this blog. I was in a bad mood because i didnt get any play from my wife on Friday night, so therefor I wrote really nasty things which were not true. I am sorry.

Monday, August 22, 2005 2:44:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...


Although Darchei Bina doesn't consider themselves "Bais Yaakov" (a marketing ploy) they are still very "frum."

Monday, August 22, 2005 2:54:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

Uo-I can no longer be part of this blog because I realized that I am wrong and the yeshiva world is right.

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:04:00 PM  
Anonymous amechad said...

Same with me

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:06:00 PM  
Anonymous david kelsey said...

I also feel very bad about what i have written and this is my last time visiting this blog

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:08:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

Here is another great site that tracks misdeeds and bad behavior of the Penguins:


It's pretty harsh. I hope no one mind's me directing traffic there.

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:23:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

I'm still here. The previous posts were not written by me!

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the F***? I need a job in a girls seminary, now!!!!!!

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:57:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I knew that some idiot posted in your name.
Hey, you are getting great responses!

Monday, August 22, 2005 4:04:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Am Echad & David Kelsey,
Some yo-yo is posting in your names!

Monday, August 22, 2005 4:05:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

The oilam wants more poetry!

Monday, August 22, 2005 4:06:00 PM  
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Monday, August 22, 2005 4:12:00 PM  
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Monday, August 22, 2005 4:46:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

To all those who doubt (or pretend to doubt) the authenticity of my claims:

The only comment I made that might have been subjective was referring to Darchei Binah as a "frummie seminary." "Frummie" is a relative term and if you want to say that they're not a "Bais Yaakov type" institution, that's fine with me. Nevertheless, it is a right wing institution that complies with extreme Charedi hashkafos - that's not debatable.

Whether or not DB is a "frummie" institution is NOT THE ISSUE! You know "good and well" what the real problems are; I have carefully illustrated them for you. You want "proof?" What kind of "proof?" You want "witnesses?" What are you crazy?!

I invite you to conduct your own investigations. Get back to me when you do so.

Regardless of what you claim to believe, I'll bet you'll think twice about sending your daughter to any of the seminaries I've exposed.

Monday, August 22, 2005 5:36:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...


I can guarantee that any parent reading your blog will atleast do their homework.
Parent beware!

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:13:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Am Echad,

Are you ready to post Motzei Shabbos?
Please e-mail your blog by Friday.

Gross's post will be a tough act to follow!

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:15:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

David Kelsey,
Would you like to go after Am Echad?

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:15:00 PM  
Blogger Jake said...

Gross, just because a claim is made does not mean that anyone has to believe it. There are girls who have gone to seminary who posted here saying that you are wrong.

Wouldn't they know better than you? I suspect that you are the same person as UO because your writing style's are identically sophmoric, you presume your conclusions, and you provide no proof while expecting trhose who oppose you to have any.

Why should anyone here conduct their own investigation? If I wrote a blog suggesting that you are all murderers and immoral businessmen, does that mean that your associates (were they to read this... and that is assuming that you are employed) should break off all pending deals with you just because some guy with a blog has baselesly accused you of something?

You have no proof. You claim to have seen this. For all we know you are some antisemite somewhere who just wants to spread hatred about Jews.

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:36:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

Sure, but would I be able to have until the Sunday night after this one? I am covering the Howl Festival for Jewschool this week - but will be done at the end of Sunday, and can begin working on it at that time, and will need Sunday in order to have a little time to make sure it hits home.

I don't want to disappoint our fans.

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:42:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I was thinking about Saturday night Sept.3rd,Am Echad is going this week.

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:48:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hey Jake, The Fruitcake,

You want proof?

Have some of the people you know send one of their kids to the seminaries.
You will get all the proof you need.

Get a life you PUTZ,people don't make this crap up!

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:51:00 PM  
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Monday, August 22, 2005 8:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe how much spam chokes up these blogs.

Monday, August 22, 2005 10:45:00 PM  
Blogger AmEchad said...

I have a busy week. However, I hope to piss off more people than Gross did.

Monday, August 22, 2005 10:47:00 PM  
Blogger Jake said...

" Hey Jake, The Fruitcake,

You want proof?

Have some of the people you know send one of their kids to the seminaries.
You will get all the proof you need.

Get a life you PUTZ,people don't make this crap up!"

Of course people make this stuff up!

Ever heard of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"?

Or do you not consider that made up?

Oh and btw, just to let you know, I know plenty of people who have sent their daughters to seminary, and plenty of girls who went. Only one had a bad experience (and it was only because the learning was not up to her standard... no one hurt her). Everyone else loved it.

You have no evidence for this. You are just some sicko who hates Jews.

Monday, August 22, 2005 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous mann said...

What the f**k does The Potocols of the Elders of Zion" have to do with anything? Quit name dropping and pretending you are an intellectual.

You have lost this argument badly.

Monday, August 22, 2005 11:25:00 PM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...


Sept. 3rd sounds good.


Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:31:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Am Echad,

Remember the OILAM gets to vote,once we each get our turn.
No sissy blogging, ok?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:33:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

You're on!

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:35:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Hey Guys,

Did anyone see SHLOMO??

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to add a dose of goodness to all the negativity on this blog. While I understand your reaction to the corruption and falsities of the people you mention, I would like to add someone to your "good list."

While he is not so well known, Rabbi Herbst from Flatbush (Ave M) is a Tzaddik. He trully reaches out to all types without being judgemental. His kindness emanates from his demeanor.

Does anyone else know him?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:39:00 AM  
Anonymous somewhat of a fan said...


You seem to be running out of material. Is that why you are relying on guest bloggers to do your dirty work? I think this is the beginning of the end. Unless you continuously post, this blog will lose steam as well as reader's interest.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the last post. UO is good reading...keep it up. Don't dilute the post with too many guest posters.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:06:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I do not know Rabbi Herbst, Please tell me about his tziddkus, his position... and I will gladly add him to the good guy list.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Fried Fish said...

New Square Passes Takana

The rabbinical leaders of New Square have issued a new takana. Fish will no longer be served at dinners, in order to cut down on the talking.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:14:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Somewhat of a Fan,

Why are you only "somewhat"?,do you know how hard I try to please you?and dats vat I get, somevat?

Seriously, all "great thinkers" know they will not be around forever, I'm grooming the next generation of TRUMBINIKERS!

Seriously, really seriously.....
I hear your pain...will take it up the board...with their permission, I will post once a week in addition to the guest bloggers.

I do have a serious day job, believe it or not, there is alot of work and research that goes into my blogs.

Let's hear from the esteemed board!

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Fried Fish,

Funny stuff!Let's hear more from you!

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:19:00 AM  
Blogger David Kelsey said...

In general, guest bloggers add, not subtract, from the board. Additionally, attacks on Gross's post as sub-par are suspect, as this site particularly is filled with anonymous comments betraying a goal of slighting it from every possible angle, and I thought it was a good post, specific in its attack.

However, having a steady post from UO is also a good thing.

A weekly song from Fashtukina would be nice as well, a sort of "shabbat 6000" for the site.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Thankyou David,
Ami and Gross, let us hear from you.
Farshtoonkine, can we get a weekly song from you?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Kelsey;

How do you manage to breathe, seeing as you have your nose (brown) up UO's tush, you tuchis-lecker.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:44:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I thought Gross's blog was "in your face" and informative.
If he saved one kid from the perverts, Dayeinu!

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous gross said...

I don't mind filling in once in a while, as long you don't become like those rebbeim in yeshiva who allowed "chavrusa-time" most of the day so that they wouldn't have to give shiur.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:04:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

I've encountered R' Herbst too and from what I've experienced he's the real deal. He invites the biggest crackheads on Fri night for a fabrengen who otherwise have nowhere else to go. There are always lost souls hanging around the shul that he keeps busy w/ various errands. He appoints someone w/ Down's Syndrome a "gabbai position" on Shabbos. Also he's very humble. He goes out of his way to give Sholom Aleicheim instead of waiting with his nose up in the air fo his Mispallelim to make the first move. I hear he knows how to pasken a shaila too.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:08:00 PM  
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Anonymous Farshtoonkena Yid said...

I must announce and come clean. I am farshtookena yid and also fried fish. I must get a grip of myselves.

I will do my best to contribute poetry and song to this most worthy blog.

I will also inform the esteemed readership of all the latest developments in the Monsey area.

Here are some lovely things that have happened in Monsey over the past few years:

1. Touro College tried to open a branch here. The Chasidim went crazy. They made large protests. A group of them broke all the windows on the building and flooded it with water hoses. Touro was intimidated and left. Meanwhile some Chassidim own the building rented out to "T & A's", a totally nude "entertainment bar." No Chassidim have broken any windows on that building, though some have been seen through the windows. There have been no protests that I know of. The tenant pays a nice cash rent. Also rumored that some Jewish girls have made some money "dancing" there. I guess that is OK, as long as we don't have a college here so some of the kids can learn something.

2. A few years ago, a Jewish radio station came to Monsey. Everyone loved it and listened to it. It had Jewish music, shiurim, and contemporary discussion talk shows. The Chassidim went crazy. They protested loudly. They forbade anyone from listening to the station, plastered hysterical postings all around town and organied public boycots of local Jewish businesses who advertised on the station. The radio station folded.

3. The Chassidim vote in blocs and basically control who gets elected. Many people moved to the Monsey area to escape the croweded conditions of Brooilyn Jewish neighborhoods. The Chassidim could not care less. They have bulldozed the local town government into ignoring flagrant zoning violations. Lately, with their voting power, they have convinced the local government tuchis licking spineless useless Council into "downzoning" large parts of Monsey. Ancient beautiful groves of trees have been decimated and in their place we now have huge ugly multi-family buildings. And I do mean "UGLY." What is it about Chassidim that they like UGLY architecture, built out to the street, with no landscaping, and garbage thrown all over the place? Since all these people are "rabbis", they are all off the tax rolls, which increases everyone else's burden. They are all on Section 8, food stamps and every other type of shnorring program they can get their hands on.

That, in a nutshell, in Monsey, 2005.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:56:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

What is Rabbi Herbst's full name and the name of the shul?
Board member votes yes, yes it is.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:40:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Farshtoonkane & Fried Fish,

What's this thing you got going on with "smelly stuff"?

We accept your Monsey reporters job.

It's a good thing we meet in cyperspace, Farshtoonkene,Fish,
I am very sensitive to smell!

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:44:00 PM  
Blogger AmEchad said...

sorry that I have been out of it. I am overloaded with work this week. I shall make up for the rage!!!

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Farshtoonkena Yid said...

If you are sensitive to smell, then avoid the Chassidsche bus during the nine days.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Kelsey, you still breathing?

What happened?

Did UO forget to put in a fresh battery up your nose and wind you up?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:42:00 PM  
Blogger mnuez said...

Dude, this post with ZERO evidence is total trash. I know the world is round even though I've never seen it from space because of tons of evidence in lots of people's experience. Could they be wrong? Could be, but you'll have to show up with LOTS of evidence to refute it. And here, all of us (except girl-less gross) know plenty of chicks who went to various sems and gross's outlandish broad brushed charge is nowhere to be heard in their experience. Could it be that they're somehow silenced out of shame, fear of disbelief or whatever? could be, but it'll take a lot of evidence to prove something wile like that. gross provides NO evidence. Nothing that can be independantly verified. Nothing.

And you, unorthodox... what the fuck? I mean gross is obviously really messed up and/or really high, but what the hell are you panting after him for? The only other post of yours that i read showed a healthy does of intelligence - none of which is displayed in your defense of the gross accusations.

Friday, August 26, 2005 2:20:00 AM  
Anonymous guernsey said...

This post is total crap. My wife went to one of the seminaries you mentioned, and she has plenty of friends who went to that seminary and other ones which you smear. According to her, neither herself nor her friends ever heard of any of the things you are talking about.

Let's see what other points show your absurd lack of knowledge of the seminary world? Darchei Binah the "Ivy League" of seminaries??? Please. While it is decent, it's far from the most prestigious of seminaries. Nor is it the most right-wing, in case that's what you meant to imply. It's not even a Bais Yaakov institution. A large majority of girls who study there go on to attend university in America. Ateres is more of a Bais Yaakov seminary, but certainly not the "frummiest of the frummiest girls," as you absurdly claim.

The only thing funnier was the anonymous commentator above who made the same point I just did, but then went on to list Michlalah as possibly one of the most right-wing seminaries in Jerusalem. Michlalah is actually more centrist than any of the others mentioned here. I think that their parent Israeli institution is in cherem for something or other, maybe too Zionist. This seminary could not really be considered Chareidi in any sense.

I do think many seminaries have problems, mainly in their cookie cutter approach to turning out Chareidi kollel wives, and presenting the apologist Chareidi point of view on many issues without any others to balance it. That has nothing to do with any of the BS that you wrote about in your post, though.

Oh, and in case you are going to claim that my wife and her friends denied knowledge of such goings-on because they are simply naive/ashamed/whatever,
this is not the case. One of them had a very disturbing experience eating at a kollel family for a Shabbos meal, where the guy said some inappropriate things and made everyone quite uncomfortable. (No, this is not an attack on kollel avreichim in general, it's just to show that the girls were capable of recognizing inappropriate behavior, and they did not find it at their seminaries.)

"Regardless of what you claim to believe, I'll bet you'll think twice about sending your daughter to any of the seminaries I've exposed."

Not for a second.

Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:44:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...


Some father you are!

Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Guernsey said...

UOJ, good answer!

Sunday, August 28, 2005 4:31:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...


Seriously, from one father to another, do not take any chances whatsoever with your children.

There are enough scandal free seminaries to pick from.

I am not in that parsha yet, but rest assurred I would never send my kids to a school with even a scintilla of a tarnished or questionable reputation.

That ONE korban could be your child.

Sunday, August 28, 2005 5:12:00 PM  
Blogger Frum Singles said...

I definitely can relate. Im sitting in shule shabas and this guy (who always acts like my good friend) makes a mi shebairach for everyone around me, but "for some reason" skips over me.

Just because I'm single and don't wear a talis, does that mean I don't rate?

Sunday, August 28, 2005 7:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frum Single,

How do you know this was intentional? You should've confronted him. You couldv'e done it in a non-confrontational joking manner. He would've got the message.

Monday, August 29, 2005 12:03:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Frum Single,

I am cynical,but anonymous does have a point.

Monday, August 29, 2005 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a shame that single people are considered nothing until they are married (and then, many prove themselves as nothing!)

I am happily married B"H but I am very close with a lot of singles. I feel terrible that their whole life is consumed with the fact that they are single. They are unfortunately not valid as an entity until they are married. It's a real shitty system.

Monday, August 29, 2005 12:17:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Very shitty indeed!!

Monday, August 29, 2005 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous guernsey said...

As I said, I've spoken with lots of people about those seminaries, and NO ONE has heard any of these absurd stories. Thus, the lies by "Gross" are not enough to give these schools "even a scintilla of a tarnished or questionable reputation."

But good use of the word scintilla.

Monday, August 29, 2005 6:50:00 AM  
Anonymous gross said...


No evidence would be good enough for you. You will believe what you want to believe. What is your counterclaim? Your wife attended seminary and she says I am a liar? What if my evidence includes my wife's personal experiences?

Monday, August 29, 2005 8:49:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Let's say for argument purposes, that five hundred kids went to that school and it happenned to one.
Just because you did not talk to that one, it DOES NOT MEAN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Monday, August 29, 2005 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Guernsey said...

There were tons of stories about Lanner. From reliable people, not from one single anti-religious blogger. Gross, why doesn't your wife sue them, if that is in fact the case?

Monday, August 29, 2005 5:06:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...


I sense a bit of softening and understanding. Good for you.

I refer you to my blog of June 26th, Jonestown Judaism.

Please read the blog and comments.
Look at what happens when parents make waves.

Monday, August 29, 2005 5:20:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...


Sue? Are you joking?

After many years of perpetuating irreparable damage, Lanner was finally busted. Has that case left you wondering what took so long?

There is a story involving a boys sleep away camp that I hope to break soon. Boys who were molested and then approached by authorities years later in order to aid in an investigation denied ever being abused! The predator admitted molesting these people but they said it never happened! Understand?

Monday, August 29, 2005 6:21:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

There are well meaning guys out there that can't believe the horrible things that are going on.
They think because they didn't HEAR about it, that it aint happening.
I wish I was so naive in a way, I would sleep alot better at night!

Monday, August 29, 2005 6:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am an 18 yr old woman who just graduated from highschool and am about to go off to a seminary in israel in a few days. although i have heard, in my process of finding the right school for me, amazing and positive things about many yeshivot and seminaries, i have also heard some stories that were shocking and hard to swallow. i feel that its important for students going into any school where administrators or teachers have a influence on one's life, be it yeshiva, seminary, or college, to be aware of the worst of reality; i thank you for bringing up the often ignored issues of intimidation and abuse. however, i think that somewhere along the blogging line this became a ultra- orthodox bashing fest. (Farshtoonkena Yid said...
If you are sensitive to smell, then avoid the Chassidsche bus during the nine days.) etc..
there are certainly good people and bad people from all walks of life, and although i'm not chassidische and do not see myself ever moving in that direction, i feel somehow that its unfare to disrespect or judge a whole community so blanketly.

Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous friendly advice said...


Good luck in seminary. Remember to have a good time and always keep in mind that the administration is not comprised of Tzaddikim. They are businessmen. Don't let the "hanhala" brfainwash you or tell you how to live your life. You are paying a lot of $$ so enjoy Israel and experience everything it has to offer. Don't let them make you feel guilty for going out one night into town. I'm not saying to run wild but you, as a young adult you have the freedom to experience the diverse culture that is the Holyland.

Don't stress too much about grades - they will be meaningless moments after you arrive back home.

Also, don't get too close to any of the men and if you are called into the office make sure the door is OPEN (simple halacha, don't be afraid!)

Best Wishes!

(Watch out for girls who like to "snitch")

Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:05:00 PM  
Anonymous gross said...

That was me above.

Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:06:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Smart advice!

Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please name the person you accuse. It seems like he was a guest lecturer, not a member of staff.
Seminaries also have female staff who are very close to students. Don't you think the students would talk to their female teachers about this?

Jews know how to spend their money. Do you really think they would waste it if seminaries are that bad!

PS, the girl you quote does not know the laws of Lashon Hara. It is ok to rat on rats.
shana tova

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Monday, October 31, 2005 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous SleepDeprived said...

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Monday, October 31, 2005 11:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I actually got ripped off by Rabbi Solomon Herbst of Flatbush for $8,000. While he might be known to help teens at risk, He is also known to take bribes! Also see Sieger divorce case Heter Meah Rabonim that he was involved with. Anyone else ripped off by sleazy Rabbi Herbst?

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 7:16:00 PM  

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