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Thursday, July 07, 2005

The Adventures Of M*a*l*k*i*e*l * K*o*t*l*e*r*

Malkiel found his crayons again!

His mommy keeps hiding his crayons to keep him and his friends out of trouble,but that cute little devil keeps finding them and scribbles his two line signature on any piece of paper given to him.

This time he scribbled his silly signature on a paper he should not have.

Sincere rabbonim,with no ulterior motives, are desperately trying to find a way to help agunos get rid of the stranglehold they find themselves in.
The Gemorrah clearly sanctions bais din to be able to force a husband to give his wife a get.
"kofen alav ad sheyomer rotzeh ani".

When Shlomo Miller sought out" gedolim" to BAN a certain bais din from this accepted practice(albeit a minority opinion),he asked cute little Malkiel to do some scribbling in the gedolims' coloring book,along with other guys who obviously do not have daughters being hijacked & blackmailed.

The problem is that cutesy Malkiel HAS TWO WIVES!

He abused a very rarely used MINORITY OPINION, HETER MEAH RABBONIM , TO LEAVE A WIFE IN ISRAEL.
HE NEVER GAVE HER A GET!

Of course she was mamish not normal poshit,not coherent mamish, mamish not well,poshit not gezunt mamish rachmono litzlan,mamish.

So Malkiel,that devil,was able to find 100 really brave guys who mamish agreed that his wife was mamish not able to think clearly nebach, was a rishanta,and did not go to the mikva,(how do they know?) and...........and they signed a document poshit freeing him to marry another lucky girl at the same time.

He became like a big time tycoon,a wife here and a wife there.

We have all kind of heterim.

A contract selling chometz to a goy!
A contract selling nursing homes for shabbos and yom tov.
A contract selling retail stores for shabbos.
A contract selling everything to a goy,so we can make more money to pay off these genius manipulators & contract writers, aka rabbis with EXPERTISE in covering checks they have written but can't pay.

Now let a woman try to free herself from some bum behaima,nooooo sireeee,this is against halacha.

I say to cutey pie Malkiel and all the other fundamentalist idiots,

KISS OUR COLLECTIVE TUCHIS!!!!!!!

41 Comments:

Blogger Meyer said...

i salute Rabbis Rackman & Morgenstern. Do you how many women they have freed from those ancient chains. Judaism can only survive if it keeps up with the times and I don't mean the parsha

Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AMEN

Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:34:00 PM  
Blogger Shlomo said...

Poor Poor little U*N*-O*R*T*H*O*D*O*X J*E*W! His mommy held his little hand until he was a real big boy, but she couldn't take care of him forever. He went to all of the big boy yeshivos like Lakewood and even Ponevezh, but they weren't nice t him like mommy was so he left in a huff. He decided to get married and go into the working world but everybody was so so so mean, and he was real sad. He got a job, but not one he really deserves and that was all the mean yeshivos fault. After all, they didn't let him go to college now did they.

Little Un-orthodox settled into his hum drum mediocre life and as he grew into middle age he got real real bitter. Whose fault was it that he had a crappy life? Why it must be the big bad gedolim. They get everything and they don't do anything all. Un-ortho knows everything about all of the big bad gedolim, so everything he says is clearlt true and accurate. Un-ortho cried and creid for years but nobody cared. Then one day he got himself a blog and found a bunch of disgruntled koifrim that agreed with him. Now they all cry together. And they all lived miserably ever after. SHALOM CHAVEIRIM

Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we're mentioning the "gangsters of Lakewood" just look at what they did to the co-author of One people-2 worlds.The orthodox rabbi wrote so beautifully in that book, yet when it came time to promote the book, the gangsters wouldnt let him. I must tell you that that book, nad making of a Godol, are the 2 best judaic subject books I have read

Friday, July 08, 2005 8:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More really deep thoughts from Shlomo Amkus.

Friday, July 08, 2005 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you wrote about Rav Shlomo Miller is wrong. Call him up, but don't you dare call him evil you ignorant piece of crap.

Friday, July 08, 2005 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you wrote about Rav Shlomo Miller is wrong. Call him up, but don't you dare call him evil you ignorant piece of crap.

Friday, July 08, 2005 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is Miller doing about the plight of agunos?
The same old garbage from these guys!
To hell with all these rishaim

Friday, July 08, 2005 1:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my tuchas is also available

Friday, July 08, 2005 1:55:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

True gedolim should be dealing with issues that are affecting the Klal,in a positive manner.

Other than taking care of their needs,what are they doing to ease the plight of so many Jews who are suffering in one way or the other?
NOTHING!
Some ads in newspapers?

These guys are a selfish group of fanatics,period.
Money for their yeshivas is what they spend all their time on.

Let us see them spend their time on agunas,troubled kids...real issues.
Enough with the STUPID bans,gzeiros,cherems,and bashing every other Jew who does not agree with them.
They started this milchomo-this civil war.
Let us see some menchlichkeit from them.

Friday, July 08, 2005 2:16:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

People here have it wrong. This is an attack directly against Rabbi Mordechai Tendler and some of his controversial gitim.

see:
http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/07/on-eve-of-jerusalem-bais-din-rav.html#comments

For many months the leadership of the RCA, the Awareness Center and others involved have dealt with this situation (RMT) without raising the issue of his gitim. All the above acted responsibly and with the interest of not having the gitim of many women questioned.

It is unfortunate that many of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler's supporters and defenders and in particular, Susan Rosenbluth of the Jewish Voice and Opinion, chose to make this "behind the scenes" controversy public and twist the issue and publicly use it to attack the RCA. That publicity has created a terrible situation now for many of these women. It was completely irresponsible to do so.

Unfortunately, RMT and his supporters decided to use his gitim and these poor women as simple cannon fodder to use as an against the RCA.

Now, these poor women pay the terrible price.

There's no question that this public letter will cause terrible reprecutions worldwide for women who have gittin from the sources being called into question.

I have specifically avoided discussing this issue of the case from the beginning as I believe that such discussion can only lead to tragedy for the many women who were led to believe they had finally won their freedom and had finally moved on with their lives only now to have their status questioned.

A similar problem has arisen in England where a prominant beis din has begun to refuse to accept some Orthodox conversions.

This should never have happened.

This is terrible. I call on rabbonim worldwide to act in unison and ensure that gitim are given with a uniformity that does not allow such questions to ever be raised. Please help find a consensus that helps get more women their gitim, not less.

I call on rabbonim to have compassion on our daughters and sisters who remain agunot and use all measusures in their power to remedy the situation.

Friday, July 08, 2005 2:46:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

JWB,
How right you are!

However they could not wait to get at the RCA(they do have serious internal issues),so they used the Tendler issue to get there.

So this is what they do,PASUL everything because it does not have their stamp on it.

They could care less how many women,families,children and their loved ones get trampled and smeared!

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:16:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>However they could not wait to
>get at the RCA(they do have
>serious internal issues),so they
>used the Tendler issue to get
>there.

That is why no responsible party (RCA, Awareness Center, Jewish Week, Forward, me) raised the issue publicly. We all knew the consequences if we did.

The Tendler war machine and Susan Rosenbluth had no such compunctions about using these poor women as cannon fodder in their battle against the RCA.

And now the consequences are unimaginable for these women and their children and in some cases their new husbands.

As to Rabbi Mordechai Tendler? The RCA comes with the letter signed by Rav Eliashiv, Rav Miller etc to the Jerusalem Bais Din. This is proof positive of the RCA's statement that:

"Rabbi Mordecai Tendler has engaged in conduct inappropriate for an Orthodox Rabbi."

Top it off with the Halachic and legal precedent for the RCA’s action against Rabbi Mordechai Tendler. http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/05/halachic-and-legal-precedent-for-rcas.html#comments

and it's a slam dunk.

But the RCA could have done that anytime over the past months. The reason they didn't? They were protecting the women and their children whose status would be irrepairably be harmed. Now it's too late.

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

unfortunately, the language of the din torah is (rightfully) accusing the RCA of declaring that "actions inappropriate for an orthodox rabbi" meant that the allegations of lewd misconduct were true. That is the issue. If you now want to say that they really meant an issue involving the aguna issue, then the RCA should have had no problem issuing a statement clarifying that they did NOT find him guilty of any sexual misconduct and that their public statement was referring to the agunos that he freed. Wouldn't they agree to do that? and they would have done that by now in order to avoid going to the din torah in jerusalem. But somehow i think that is NOT what they meant, and therefore that is why there has been hazmanos, and there (hopefully) will be a din torah to clarify the "allegations" and determine the absurdity of them, once and for all, AL PI HALACHA!!

Friday, July 08, 2005 5:07:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>unfortunately, the language of
>the din torah is (rightfully)
>accusing the RCA of declaring
>that "actions inappropriate for
>an orthodox rabbi" meant that
>the allegations of lewd
>misconduct were true. That is
>the issue

While that may be the main reason they got rid or Rabbi Mordechai Tendler, they have never stated that publicly. Thus the letter from Rav Miller etc. is a full answer to the charges levelled against the RCA. It justifies the actual statement made by the RCA.

>If you now want to say that they
>really meant an issue involving
>the aguna issue, then the RCA
>should have had no problem
>issuing a statement clarifying
>that they did NOT find him
>guilty of any sexual misconduct
>and that their public statement
>was referring to the agunos that
>he freed.

The RCA has no obligation to give any further details or make any public clarification.

>Wouldn't they agree to do that?
>and they would have done that by
>now in order to avoid going to
>the din torah in jerusalem.

Only, if they did so at the expense of harming the status of women and children affected. They would not do so.

>But somehow i think that is NOT
>what they meant, and therefore
>that is why there has been
>hazmanos, and there (hopefully)
>will be a din torah to clarify
>the "allegations" and determine
>the absurdity of them, once and
>for all, AL PI HALACHA!!

It doesn't matter what they meant. The letter signed by Rav Miller etc. is a full defense. They only have to justify what they did and said. The letter provides full justification.

Regardless, the procedures followed by the RCA followed the halachic and legal precedent set by the chief rabbanute in England.

http://jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2005/05/halachic-and-legal-precedent-for-rcas.html#comments

But with the Rav Miller etc. letter they don't need to even address the sexual obligations. It's a full defense.

Friday, July 08, 2005 5:34:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>unfortunately, the language of
>the din torah is (rightfully)
>accusing the RCA of declaring
>that "actions inappropriate for
>an orthodox rabbi" meant that
>the allegations of lewd
>misconduct were true.

Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is alleging that, not the beis din.

Check your facts.

Friday, July 08, 2005 5:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>unfortunately, the language of
>the din torah is (rightfully)
>accusing the RCA of declaring
>that "actions inappropriate for
>an orthodox rabbi" meant that
>the allegations of lewd
>misconduct were true.

Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is alleging that, not the beis din.

Check your facts.<<

of course Rabbi Tendler is the one alleging that.....what part of:

"the language of the din torah is (rightfully)accusing the RCA"

don't you understand? that is what the word accusing means... nothing has been decided by any beis din yet...

JWB, you are contradicting yourself... the whole time you were saying that the proof of RMT's guilt regarding the "sexual allegations" is that the RCA said that he was guilty of "inappropriate conduct", and now you are saying that they meant something else entirely? are you really saying that the RCA meant that? if that is the case, then in order to answer the charge in front of the beis din that the RCA made untrue statements about rabbi tendler regarding his guilt of the sexual allegations, all the RCA has to say to beis din (and therefore publicly "b'apei t'lasa") is that "we didn't mean that he was guilty of sexual misconduct" and that is the end of that part of the accusation against the RCA by rabbi tendler.... so do you really think that will happen this week? that is pathetic... no matter, it is irrelevant to the real world... let's see what happens on thursday... that is, if everyone from the RCA shows up....and by the way, mazel tov on finding a new place to get attention, ever since everyone started ignoring your own blog !

Friday, July 08, 2005 6:04:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>of course Rabbi Tendler is the
>one alleging that.....what part
>of:
>
>"the language of the din torah
>is (rightfully)accusing the RCA"
>don't you understand? that is
>what the word accusing means...
>nothing has been decided by any
>beis din yet...

And for $100 filing fee and the cost of a publicist you too can file false allegations and publish them in the Jewish Press and the Jewish Voice and Opinion.

>JWB, you are contradicting
>yourself... the whole time you
>were saying that the proof of
>RMT's guilt regarding
>the "sexual allegations" is that
>the RCA said that he was guilty
>of "inappropriate conduct", and
>now you are saying that they
>meant something else entirely?

No, read what I stated above. The Rav Miller etc. letter is a full and complete defense to the charges. That is regardless of everything else.

>are you really saying that the
>RCA meant that? if that is the
>case, then in order to answer
>the charge in front of the beis
>din that the RCA made untrue
>statements about rabbi tendler
>regarding his guilt of the
>sexual allegations, all the RCA
>has to say to beis din (and
>therefore publicly "b'apei
>t'lasa") is that "we didn't mean
>that he was guilty of sexual
>misconduct" and that is the end
>of that part of the accusation
>against the RCA by rabbi
>tendler.... so do you really
>think that will happen this
>week?

Wrong. All the RCA has to say is this is what we said:

"Rabbi Mordecai Tendler has engaged in conduct inappropriate for an Orthodox Rabbi."

and here is a letter that serves as a complete proof thar "Rabbi Mordechai Tendler has engaged in conduct inappropriate for an Orthodox Rabbi."

The end.

>that is pathetic... no matter,
>it is irrelevant to the real
>world... let's see what happens
>on thursday... that is, if
>everyone from the RCA shows
>up....and by the way, mazel tov
>on finding a new place to get
>attention, ever since everyone
>started ignoring your own blog !

The RCA has already posted that they will be there on their website. Oh and thanks for reading.

Friday, July 08, 2005 6:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

one of the issues in front of the beis din is the allegation that what the RCA meant when they publicly proclaimed "Rabbi Mordecai Tendler has engaged in conduct inappropriate for an Orthodox Rabbi" is that Rabbi Tendler was GUILTY of the sexual allegations. If the RCA is going to deny that is what they meant, then they have to tell the beis din:



"Rabbi Mordecai Tendler has engaged in conduct inappropriate for an Orthodox Rabbi, And by that we mean regarding the aguna (or whatever other issue/excuse we have up our sleeve), and NOT any of these other allegations"

that would be basically a retraction of the RCA regarding any guilt of the sexual allegations, would it not? since they suposedly saw all the "evidence" and heard "all the testimony" and the RCA now stands before the jerusalem beis din saying "we are being accused of publicly saying (through inference or innuendo) that RMT is guilty of sexual allegations, and that is NOT TRUE, we did NOT mean THAT, we meant something ELSE"
sounds like a retraction to me!

Friday, July 08, 2005 6:52:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>one of the issues in front of
>the beis din is the allegation
>that what the RCA meant when
>they publicly proclaimed "Rabbi
>Mordecai Tendler has engaged in
>conduct inappropriate for an
>Orthodox Rabbi" is that Rabbi
>Tendler was GUILTY of the sexual
>allegations.

It doesn't matter what they meant, thought or might have said/done. All irrelevant.

>If the RCA is going to deny that
>is what they meant, then they
>have to tell the beis din:

They don't have to deny anything or tell the beis din anything beyond:

1) this is what we said/did
2) here is a letter signed by numerous rabbis that backs up our statements/actions

>"Rabbi Mordecai Tendler has
>engaged in conduct inappropriate
>for an Orthodox Rabbi, And by
>that we mean regarding the aguna
>(or whatever other issue/excuse
>we have up our sleeve), and NOT
>any of these other allegations"

They don't have to vlarify their statement or explain what they meant. The only thing relevant thing is what they actually said.

>that would be basically a
>retraction of the RCA regarding
>any guilt of the sexual >allegations, would it not? since
>they suposedly saw all
>the "evidence" and heard "all
>the testimony" and the RCA now
>stands before the jerusalem beis
>din saying "we are being accused
>of publicly saying (through
>inference or innuendo) that RMT
>is guilty of sexual allegations,
>and that is NOT TRUE, we did NOT
>mean THAT, we meant something
>ELSE"
>sounds like a retraction to me!

That's because you can't read and choose not to hear. They don't have to make any statement as to what they meant.

All they have to do:
1) This is what we said:
"Rabbi Mordecai Tendler has engaged in conduct inappropriate for an Orthodox Rabbi."
2) And here's a letter from numerous rabbis confirming that.

Game over.

Friday, July 08, 2005 7:01:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

The RCA definitely should make it clear whether he was expelled for the agunos issue or the sexual misconduct issue.
One issue at a time.

Friday, July 08, 2005 7:10:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>The RCA definitely should make
>it clear whether he was expelled
>for the agunos issue or the
>sexual misconduct issue.
>One issue at a time.

While I might agree, it's clear the RCA doen't intend to make the specific details of the sexual misconduct public in order to protect his family.

Regardless of what they should do, they have a full defense and have no legal or halachic obligation to clarify their expulsion or statement regarding Rabbi Mordechai Tendler any further.

Friday, July 08, 2005 7:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agunot would have shorter sentences if they got guns and killed their husbands.

A jury would have more compassion than these husbands that refuse to give gets and the rabbis that won't help.

Friday, July 08, 2005 7:21:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

JWB,
I fully believe that the RCA has a right to grant membership to anyone they want to,and the converse as well,they can expel any member that they judge is not fit for membership.

In this case however,the implications are clear because of the ambiguity of their statement, that Tendler was guilty,in their opinion,of sexual misconduct.

They need not and should not get SPECIFIC in their public statements,but a clarification of which charge he was expelled for is definitely the menchlich thing to do.

This will not go away for Tendler or the RCA.
All the issues will come to the fore,why not sooner than later?

Good Shabbos!

Friday, July 08, 2005 7:39:00 PM  
Blogger jewishwhistleblower said...

>In this case however,the
>implications are clear because
>of the ambiguity of their
>statement, that Tendler was
>guilty,in their opinion,of
>sexual misconduct.

The implications are not clear. They were very careful with their statement.

>They need not and should not get
>SPECIFIC in their public
>statements,

And won't.

>but a clarification of which
>charge he was expelled for is
>definitely the menchlich thing
>to do.

While I might personally agree.

1) They are trying to protect Rabbi Tendler's family.
2) Their lawyers are not going to let them make any such statements outside a courtroom.
3) And as an after-thought they want to protect his victims. I say an after-thought because up to this point protecting Tendler's family certainly took priority.

>This will not go away for
>Tendler or the RCA.

Still unclear. Anyone in England still remember Ivan Wachmann?

>All the issues will come to the
>fore,why not sooner than later?

It appears no party will take this to a civil court, therefore a conclusion is unlikely.

Tendler will move on after a year or two. There's speculation that he may change denominations or start his own. I expect this will be similar to all other similar cases I've posted on.

True justice is for the next world.

Friday, July 08, 2005 7:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just cannot believe you would write that way about Rav Shlomo Miller. Call him up, write him, but how could you call him a rasha without knowing the issues? Come on.

Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if the RCA uses that defense, then all will go well for rabbi tendler ! boruch hashem!

Monday, July 11, 2005 6:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't understand how you can compare laymen groups like the RCA to Rav Shlomo Miller. If you'd like, I'll gve you his number. But calling him a rasha is plainly beyond reason.

Monday, July 11, 2005 7:03:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

My response to the 3 previous posts,

1-If Tendler is not-guilty,he should walk free,If he is playing games and lying,he should immediately be terminated at his shul and never be involved in rabbonus ever.
2-Shlomo Miller went way over the top on this one.
He does not know what really transpired and yet pasuls the entire organization,and questions all their gittin.
Even he makes mistakes,I am trying to keep him honest and careful,because he is an adam choshuv.

Monday, July 11, 2005 7:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you know what he knows about the organization if you never spoke with him about the issue? You ar enot in the position to takl about the facts because you are precisely in the facts you allege Rav Miller to be in. I suggest that you call him if you sincerely care, or at the bare minimu, remove words like "evil" from his name. Its extremely wrong to do that, and you know better than that, too.

Monday, July 11, 2005 8:03:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I do know the particulars,but per your request I will remove the word evil.

Monday, July 11, 2005 8:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I appreciate your integrity. Thank you.

I think the other derogatry words like idiot, rasha, etc, should be removed, as well.

Monday, July 11, 2005 8:45:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Now you are acting like my Shviger,whatever I do for her is not good enough either!

Monday, July 11, 2005 8:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cute.

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:04:00 AM  
Blogger Vicki, the Amorphous Blob said...

That is why no responsible party (RCA, Awareness Center, Jewish Week, Forward, me) raised the issue publicly. We all knew the consequences if we did.

The Awareness Center is a responsible party? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Is Vicki still worshipping Satan?

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:41:00 AM  
Blogger Vicki, the Amorphous Blob said...

Agunot would have shorter sentences if they got guns and killed their husbands.

Numbskull.

Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:43:00 AM  
Blogger KNHmember said...

Getting back to the title of this blog.
M*a*l*k*i*e*l *K*
The reason why he has 2 wives. Simply, after the death of his father zt"l, the yeshiva wanted him to come to Lakewood and take over BMG. He was living in Israel at the time. His wife refused to move to Lakewood, which is within her halachic right and I believe, refused to accept a get. Rabbi K was stuck. Hence he used this very weak loophole to get remarried.

Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

KNH Member,
Firstly,the yeshiva did not want him to come to Lakewood.HIS MOTHER WANTED HIM TO COME.

Do not believe that he made any serious attempt to have her move to Lakewood,it was a chance for him to dump her knowing full well he could easily get a heter meah.

These guys are great at public relations.

The other three roshei yeshiva (and the yeshiva)would have been alot better off without that imbecile,his mother and his brother.

Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In order to get a Heter Meiah you have to write your wife a get and give it to beis din so that she can take it whenever she wnats to.

The fact that she still has not taken it after all these years kind of proves that she is somewhat dilusional.


M*A*L*K*I*E*L was not the first or last to use this Heter.

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just one question, where did you all go to yeshiva? I want to know where they teach you to bash people whos torah learning is far beyond what you will ever know. Who are you to judge those who know thousands of times more than you?

Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UOJ, you are an idiot.

A get a condition of the heter meah rabbonim.

The heter meah rabbonim merely allows a husband to deposit a get by beis din instead of requiring it be accepted by the wife. Min haTorah, acceptance on the part of the wife isn't necessary, anyway - it was instituted by the Cherem d'Rabbeinu Gershom.

Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:51:00 PM  

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