Saturday, December 03, 2005

UOJ's Theory Of Evolution - Chassidim Direct Descendants Of ( Beaver) Animals -They Can't Let Go Of Their (Fur) Hats

By The Chairman Of The Board - R' Gross

The “Talibaner” Rebbe
Rabbi Mordechai Hager, the Vizhnitzer Rebbe of Monsey( The Guys Who Wear Their Fur Hats Backwards)

One only needs to look at the Chassidim to make a pretty accurate assumption as to the character of their leadership.

Having been raised in a purely litvishe environment, with rather oppressive institutions of “education” and prayer, I naievely assumed that Chassidim, as a general rule, were a bit more accepting of those outside their circles - more so than their litvishe counterparts. After all, they seemed “pretty cool.” Heimishe davening, various Chesed organizations, jovial expressions of love for their creator, friendly shteiblach… I apparently was wrong; as the generations progress (or rather, regress) new expressions of ugly fundamentalism rears its head…

Several months ago, “Chaim,” an acquaintance of mine, stopped off in Vizhnitz on Route 306 in Monsey, for a late Shacharis. Moments after arriving, a young man approached Chaim and asked him why he wasn’t wearing a hat. Stunned and unsure of the man’s motives, he just ignored him.

When he later related the story to me I brushed it aside insisting that it was just an isolated incident and either the man was joking or he wasn’t “100%.” In fact I found it very hard to believe that in such a Heimishe environment, someone wouldn’t go out of the way to make him – an obvious outsider - feel comfortable by offering him a siddur or a place to sit.

A few weeks later, Chaim returned to Vizhnitz forgetting about the incident. While donning his Tallit and Tefillin he was shocked to see a sign posted on a wall stating the institution’s requirement that all congregants must wear a hat and jacket! The story doesn’t end there.

A group of recent Baalei Teshuvas, attended Vizhnitz one morning for Shacharis. They were dressed casually but neatly and were obvious BTs. Moments after arriving, they were asked to leave – that’s right they were asked to leave -immediately and their efforts to protest were futile as a small mob of threatening Chasidim surrounded them. That very day, one of the men thrown out of Vizhnitz ceased being observant.

In yet another incident, a man went into Vizhnitz for Maariv and after permission from one of the Gabboim approached the Amud in an attempt to lead the Maariv service. This man was a “Chiyuv” and therefore he had reason to do so.

When the man started Maariv it was obvious to all that he had a speech impediment (the speech impediment resulted from a slight hearing impairment.) After several minutes, the davening was interrupted and the man was asked to step away from the Amud. He refused and in an instant he was physically removed from the premises. The man was in tears.

How long will we allow these pieces of garbage to claim Judaism as their own? Is it not enough that they live in a welfare society, depending on OUR tax dollars and handouts for their corrupt Mosdos and gauche displays of personal excess? Is it not enough that we (those of us who work) suffer the embarrassing results of a public display of Chasidishe animalism, when confronted by our non-observant co-workers interested in knowing why there were fistfights in Willamsburg on Yom Tov? They don’t believe us when we say that “those people are not really Jewish.” How stupid can the Chassidim be? Don’t they realize that it’s all about money and real estate – at their expense? And NO, your Rebbe doesn’t have any Ruach HaKodesh and is a mere mortal like the rest of us (and probably an Am Ha’aretz too!

I say: Be as crooked as you want but remove the beard and payos and stop humiliating the rest of us!!!

Religion is not to be "object" driven. The "hat" has become a symbol to the Charedim, as the "cross" is to Madonna.
The parallels are so very similar. As long as the symbol is displayed openly, ALL the important elements of religion and appropriate behavior become irrelevant.

We see the Puerto Ricans and the Shvartzes driving around with "Jesus" bobbing around on their rear view mirrors, especially noticeable on their getaway cars as they race away from the convenience store or bank they just robbed.



Anonymous simcha said...

They have no role models, their Rebbes are the biggest crooks and phonies.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:26:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...


Very unfortunate; but to be blunt these hasids don't have a monoply as I've witnessed this type of beheimish behavior in litvishe shuls too.

The litvaks can give the Imams a run for their money.

Extreme fundamentalism without Seichel, hartz, and a bit of common sense pervades all segments of Judaism.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:27:00 PM  
Anonymous seeker said...

When a kid turns 13, his father buys him a hat. The kids realizes soon that its real easy to be frum, just look as frum as you can.
Forget about middos,torah learning
and chesed, especially in regard to speech.I feel that nobody should be allowed to wear a hat or rabbinic garb unless he earns the respect.Only true talmidei chachamim should be allowed.Otherwise the hat has turned into a joke.Be the biggest
gangster as long as you have got the right hat or look its ok. Wrong.
If a kid wants a hat,then let him learn 10 hours a day, have excellent middos, and proper speech.
Please no cursing or nival peh.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget. Anybody supporting a kolel soninlaw should be allowed the luxury of wearing a hat.Its only respectfull for the shver.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:55:00 PM  
Anonymous the booger said...


You want, maybe, to put Borsalino out of business?

Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An absolute and utter disgrace -chasidus started as a pure yearning for god-by the baal shem - for the dissaffected baala baatim who had to work for a living who were being shut out of "yiddishkeit" by the elite "ivory tower" lamdanim in that generation- like a fire it spread enabling the poor,disaffected and "simple" people to cleave to hashem thru prayer,gmillas chesed etc. with the emphasis on the spirit rather than the kop! To see such a movement stray so far from its humble and pure begginings is disgusting- What would the Baal Shem Tov say- the same baal shem who worked in a limestone quarry -praying with all his soul in his work clothes -praying with his spirit -transcending the physical-what would he say to the spiritual descendants of his ideas whose emphasis on the lvush and all the other bullshit, surrounding what i can only hope still has a pure core ,is as shocking as it is bizzare

Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, if they don't want to doven with fellow Jews who are not chassidic ,why push ourselves on them. And when they ask for our money,just relate our stories and send them on their way.Easy solution.Do we really need to patronize their stores or businesses, if this how they treat fellow jews.Of coarse not. Then they will get the message. Hit them in the pocketbook.My dovening not kosher,but money is!!!!There was a time when a yid would seek out a Rebbe for advise, and was accepted.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wot hit my business. I don't care
who dovens in mein stibel? Hat or no hat,hes a customer.A customer can sit on the mizrach vont next to de Rebbe. Fine by me. I need mein parnosa. Please .Mein wibe she needs money, or i get gehenom at home.A customer is to me a Rebbe, a better Rebbe. Come doven in mein stibel. If someone botter
you, i punch him in de nose. Its a mitzvah.The holy dollar iz king.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is getting pathetic.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sinas chinam.

Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:43:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

This Vishnitzer in particular is one of the dumbest people I ever met.

A relative of mine from Israel(not by blood) visited with us, and is a descendant of their mishpocho.

He asked if I would accompany him for a private visit with him.
I refused, I've met enough of these guys, and to me their ALL alike.

In short, he prevailed upon me by saying that THIS rebbe is special.
Curiosity got the best of me.
He was local, so we met him privately one evening for almost an hour.

Definitely one of the biggest SHMUCKS and STUPID ASSES I ever met.
All he wanted to talk about was money, and what's going on by this gvir or that gvir.

I'm happy I went; I never will change my mind about the filthy scumbags at the helm of the chassidic businesses today.

Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:10:00 AM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

A couple of typos above.

Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:12:00 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

totaly unfounded
i daavined there numerous times without a hat i saw the sign and noone told me shit
stop making up stories

Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You probably didn't notice anyone said anything to you because you were too busy thinking about all the women with which you discuss your sexual issues.

Sunday, December 04, 2005 2:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why the animus and vitriol? Just sit back and watch them litigate each other into oblivion.

Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Doing my thing said...

Some chasidim and some chasidish rabbis need a lesson in menchlechkeit and basic ahavas Yisroel. I don't think it's only by chasidim though. Try going into most "brand name" yeshivos (i.e. Chaim Berlin, Mir etc.) with out a hat or jacket. I hope you wouldn't be thrown out, but don't expect a warm hello.
I spent a Shabbos in Square. My family and I didn't dress in chasidishe livush but we were treated like welcome guests by everyone we met. As we walked along the streets on Shabbos, we could easily see how many people were there as guests. There were many people, including a bunch of teenagers who weren't even wearing the litvishe "uniform". Everyone was made to feel welcome.
I think any rebbe who makes a machlokes isn't worth anything. Many chasidim are fed up with this nonsence also. My cousin used to be the most "farbrent" Satmar chasid. Now he just identifies himself as a chasid. Period.
As for Litvishe machlockes, when I looked for a high school for my son, I was told to stay away from certain Litvishe schools because of the mess going on with the fighting roshai yeshivas. Also not worth much in my opinion.
We are in galus, my friends. We don't see clearly. The world is too farkrumpt. I don't know what the answer is except to try to be close to the rabbi who you feel is the way you'd like to be.

Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all uoj cares about his money.

kol ha-posel b'mumo posel.

He's obsessed with his own fake frumkeit and holiness - no tzaddikim in our time on this blog...

Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:30:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Doing My Thing,

You are absolutely right about the Litvisha.
Stay tuned for a whopper of a blog on......coming tomorrow

Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:25:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I don't want to be "frum" (fil rishus vainig mitzvos),
I want to be honest with everything I do.
I'll leave "holy" to the rebbes that look like donuts, and are full of hot air.

Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:30:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

I will say something about the REGULAR people in Square that I came across, they are nice but mostly extremely stupid.
Anyone that can be a follower of the present Skverer Rebbe, is either drunk, on drugs, or missing their brains.

Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:34:00 PM  
Blogger yourface2 said...

one time i was in vishnitz and the gabbai sitting next to me told me i needed to let him inspect and see if i had a kosher bris. i refused to drop my pants so he kicked me out. i'm now studying at JTS where theyre more accepting of other jews.

Monday, December 05, 2005 9:39:00 AM  
Anonymous yaakov said...


I've davened many times in satmar without a hat and/or jacket. I've been made to feel welcome many times regardless of how I was clothed. People offered me a siddur or just said a simple sholom aleichem.

Today's great problem with chassidus and roshei yeshivos(In my humble opinion)is that it has become a father to son inheritence, with no other criterea that has to be met to assure a position of leadership.

Our children are not stupid(thank G-d) and they perceive these falsehoods with great clarity as they mature in their respective athmospheres.(chassidic or litvish)

I pray that I am able to guide my own children in the proper channels of torah and yiras shomayim.IY"H I'll try to instill within them the need to seek the truth without all the misleadind rubbish that is being sold today.

Monday, December 05, 2005 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so soon we will have another scoop from uoj on hasc, "a tragedy in our litvish midst."

The yetser gets the credit not any particular cult or demonination.

What strikes me as unfair about uoj's approach is that "if you're not like me, you're nothing."

Who gives anyone the right to claim that they alone represent the authentic tradition just because they have an old fashioned big mouth and some money?

Monday, December 05, 2005 2:52:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

My DERECH is honesty, period.
I don't give a darn what a person in his private life does, that's between him and God.
If someone is a LEADER he better act like one, with the honesty of Moshe Rabbeinu, or I will be up his rear-end for the rest of his life, and then some.
After that, he's God's problem

Monday, December 05, 2005 3:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Detective said...

Anon 2:54

You are incoherent. What are you talking about?

Monday, December 05, 2005 3:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

honesty period.

can't disagree with that. "Der bester ligent iz der emess," but bragging about being up someone's ass under any circumstances is a tragedy in our midst.


Monday, December 05, 2005 11:26:00 PM  
Blogger Un-Orthodox Jew said...

Nice play on words. I enjoyed it, smart ass.

Monday, December 05, 2005 11:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the smart ass plays with words.

glad you enjoyed it.

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:01:00 AM  
Anonymous rehab fighter said...

when your trying to live a certain life style ,you have the right (and the duty if you have children)
to invite guests that respect that.
a hat and jacket should't be such a big deal. no one told them to put on a chasidishe lvush.
is that too much to ask from a guest?
if a bt find's the charedi dress style too restrictive ,
maybe ohr sameach down 306 can open shtiblach .

Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was in Square for a mo trip from california over purim last year. Some random (mo appearin guy) came with us and was dressed as a SWAT team member. He did the normal purim shticks and found himself surrounded by a mob of hundredes of these "chassidm: ( i find ironic how the shores chessed is in that word) The police had to come to stop the mob from attacking this guy. Is this really the type of actions which defines chassidus in America?

Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:20:00 PM  
Anonymous emeslyaakov said...

Someone who has a speach impediment which bothers the tsibbur can not serve as shliach tsibbur. He may have a chiyuv (obligation) to seek to be the shliach tsibbur, but the tsibbur does not have the chiyuv to let him. In fact he should not have asked to be the shliach tsibbur.

On the other hand, to embarrass someone publicly is equated in some sense to murder.

Once he was the shliach tsibbur, perhaps people should have walked out and continued elsewhere.

As for hats and jackets, there is adin called minhag hamakom. If everyone stands during krias hatorah, you should too. If unmarried boys wear a tallis, you should to. If the rule is no one gets an aliyah who isn't wearing a necktie, this means you too. If everyone wears a gartel, this means you too. And so too a hat and jacket.

This is regardless of whether there is or is not an objective requirement to wear a hat and/or jacket during davening.

That being said, they should not have made such a fuss.

Monday, May 15, 2006 8:09:00 PM  
Blogger nyjew77 said...

My husband was brought to the US from Ukraine by New Square hasidim. He was 14 years old. Even though he had NO knowledge of Yiddishkeit, his host family and the community welcomed him with open arms. He didn't end up becoming a new square hasid,but he never felt ostracized.We consider ourselves conservative and don't hide that fact. We had gone to visit New Square several times and were always made to feel very welcome. My husband's former host family still sends us care packages every Passover. A bunch of the hasidim came to our wedding, which was held in a kosher catering hall. They did go outside for the mixed dancing part, but they never made a fuss about it. Would I want their lifestyle? No! But did I have a wonderful experience every time i went to New Square even though I am probably a sheigetz by their standards? Unequivocally, yes!

Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:12:00 PM  

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